$1060 WSOP, river decision against Shannon Elizabeth

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One more note, I just assumed she raised from the button, but after reading the original post I can't surmise her position. Someone with better reading comprehension skills please let me know.

[Exitonly]

well, i didnt know it was a button raise, but even so, i think i probably fold to it a decent % of the time, rarely call and sometimes shove.

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well, i didnt know it was a button raise, but even so, i think i probably fold to it a decent % of the time, rarely call and sometimes shove.

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I rank fold as the worst option, assuming we aren't discussing the min reraise as a possibility.

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well, i didnt know it was a button raise, but even so, i think i probably fold to it a decent % of the time, rarely call and sometimes shove.

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[NYWalker]

She has you beat. Either she has monster on the flop or river helped her hand. In HU with position, she may slow play big hand.

[curtains]

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well, i didnt know it was a button raise, but even so, i think i probably fold to it a decent % of the time, rarely call and sometimes shove.

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please stop that. You need to eliminate that avatar, you just damaged my brain.

[registrar]

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Preflop es muy malo.

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Does this mean it's turd? If so, I concur.

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It means "very bad"

And no it's not. Calling getting 3:1 against a weak player is fine.

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With a plan to do what? Calling leaves us nowhere. As far as I see it, we don't have room to outplay her and have no idea what she's likely to do on the flop and whether she's c-betting air and checking monsters etc.

I prefer minraise go and going if she's a b-list actress with nice [censored] (I was kind of assuming she was a lady pro). Flat-calling however aggressively seems to be the worst play given stack sizes unless we know she's raising and c-betting a really wide range.

Regards

Raul

[curtains]

Why does everyone want to fold here preflop? We are getting about 3-1 pot odds with a decent hand against what I think is a button raise, and could easily be a range that includes of 30-40% of hands. The hand really isn't going to be that hard to play when the stacks are this shallow as the shallow stacks help to negate our positional disadvantage.

btw I'm not saying calling is my preferred play, I'm just saying that I think folding is clearly wrong. Even if we used some barbaric strategy of calling PF and simply opening allin on any flop that gives us at least top pair or 2nd pair without an ace, and any draw etc etc it would probably be to okay to call.

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We don't have to fold. I just think that calling is bad unless we have specific plan other than connecting in some way with the flop. Calling is sound when villain will always c-bet and we can cr-shove, or when we're just shoving the flop. Or leading the flop and seeing what happens and shoving it in on the turn. Or something.

But this appears to be calling because we have a pretty hand and are getting 3:1 - which I don't think is enough of a reason this shallow.

[ZJ123]

im in the fold preflop camp. Were not deep, were OOP, we have 9 high. I live a shove a lot better then a call.