who lied?

[Copernicus]

500 warheads with banned gas found


And this wont be the last of it.

[WillMagic]

I'll believe it when I see it on CNN.

[cardcounter0]

Here, read some old news.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/3407853.stm

[cardcounter0]

Those were the degraded, decomposed, mustard gas shells that were too dangerous to move and were blown up in place right after the invasion. Left overs we sold Saddam from the Iraq/Iran conflict.

Crazy rat bastard Santorium must really be desperate if he is grabbing at those straws.

I have some Liquid Plumber under my Kitchen Sink, RIGHT NOW!!!

[Copernicus]

[ QUOTE ]
Those were the degraded, decomposed, mustard gas shells that were too dangerous to move and were blown up in place right after the invasion. Left overs we sold Saddam from the Iraq/Iran conflict.

Crazy rat bastard Santorium must really be desperate if he is grabbing at those straws.

I have some Liquid Plumber under my Kitchen Sink, RIGHT NOW!!!

[/ QUOTE ]

Wrong, they werent blown up. They found the filled warheads, that SH CLAIMED were destroyed. Of course they were degraded. Sarin degrades after a matter of months after the precursors have been mixed.

[cardcounter0]

WE blew them up, pinhead. What do you think was done with them, they were placed in the National Archives?

And please explain how some degraded Mustard Gas shells forgotten about in an Iraq dessert posed a "real and imminent" threat to the shores of America. What was Saddam's plan for delivering those degraded shells to America?

I think if you search between France and Germany, you will find a much larger imminent threat there. There is still a lot of unexploded ordinance left over from WWI still in farm fields there. Let's invade Berlin!

[Copernicus]

[ QUOTE ]
WE blew them up, pinhead. What do you think was done with them, they were placed in the National Archives?

And please explain how some degraded Mustard Gas shells forgotten about in an Iraq dessert posed a "real and imminent" threat to the shores of America. What was Saddam's plan for delivering those degraded shells to America?

I think if you search between France and Germany, you will find a much larger imminent threat there. There is still a lot of unexploded ordinance left over from WWI still in farm fields there. Let's invade Berlin!

[/ QUOTE ]

The point is that SH said they were all destroyed, and the Duelfer report believed him. Prior to this there was never information released that 500 filled warhead were found. There was talk of 6, 11, 17. More importantly this is only the recently declassified portion of the documents and Santorum clearly implied that there is more information to come as the documents are declassified.

You can theorize, possibly correctly, that the timing of the release of further information will be timed to influence the election, but I will lay 3:1 we hear a lot more specifics before November.

[cardcounter0]

Does the right wing nut crazy loon party have any theories of how he was going to attack America with these decomposed shells?

From the AP news wire, about 2 years ago
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Caches "dumped"

Altogether 50 of the 120mm unmarked shells were recovered by Danish engineers in the desert area, north of Basra, which was a flashpoint in the Iran-Iraq War.

About 50 more shells are thought to still be buried in the area.

Local residents told troops they had recovered about 400 shells in recent years and had thrown them in the Tigris river, AP reported.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[jman220]

[ QUOTE ]
500 warheads with banned gas found


And this wont be the last of it.

[/ QUOTE ]

This doesn't make any sense, if this story were being accurately portrayed, why wouldn't it be on any major networks? Must be that liberal media bias over at fox news, stopping this story from getting out.

[Chris Alger]

In your sourse, Santorum doesn't say "warheads." He calls them "weapons munitions," with "degraded" elements. This would include abandoned, pilfered and looted shells with trace amounts of sarin and mustard gas rendered harmless more than a decade ago. Santorum's attempt to slap the "WMD" label is just another attempt to maintain the facade, offered up for the likes of people like you, who think the Palestinians are responsible for the Nazi holocaust and otherwise lap up any excuse to slaughter Arab civilians.

If the case for war had been built on degraded munitions, it would have been laughed out of court. The hundreds of thousands who suffered death and injury from this imperial lark would be alive and well. So of course they never talked about the sort of "proof" Santorum proffers, they said things like this: "Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough agent to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets" (Colin Powell, Feb. 2003).

Of course there was no such "conservative estimate" by the intelligence community and we know now that Powell was lying in his teeth to sell the war as something other than a criminal act of aggression.

Santorum's spinning "disclosure" isn't even news. The CIA's Duelfer Report noted that such munitions have been located but didn't consider them what the White House was scaring everyone about. "While a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered, ISG judges that Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991. There are no credible indications that Baghdad resumed production of chemical munitions thereafter, a policy ISG attributes to Baghdad’s desire to see sanctions lifted, or rendered ineffectual, or its fear of force against it should WMD be discovered."

This is why Santorum has to dodge the follow-up questions that ask him, in effect, if this is proof of WMD, then why don't all those who are accused of having lied say so?