STOP OVERPLAYING POCKET PAIRS AND WHINING WHEN YOU LOSE WITH THEM!1!!1 - Page 4

Baloosh · #31 11-30-2005, 10:37 AM

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This is correct. Of course, he was getting 2:1 on his money, so preflop this was an EV neutral situation. And since you want to get your money in when you have the best of it, not when the pot odds are dead even, that makes this a fold.

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But wait, for that whole probability thing, don't you have to subtract some number from 1 to get the actual probability number?

So in your example, 1 - 2:1 would yield -1:0, or in other words any number divided by zero is 1, so mathematically, you were 1:1 to lose that hand, which is pretty close to 100% actually. This is a fold every time, if you care anything at all about Sklansky dollars.

And 4:1 odds makes it even worse. Using the math, that works out to over 175% against you winning with Pocket Aces against any 2 random cards.

Math is hard, but playing Pocket Aces is not. FOLD.

bdmcgraw · #32 11-30-2005, 11:40 AM

THE FIRST SEVEN TROLL POSTS WERE FUNNY. THEY ARENT FUNNY ANYMORE

Ya_Fooboo · #33 11-30-2005, 11:58 AM

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Thank You. I'm just so sick of the whining on these boards "Waah Waah, I lost with AA to KQ." KQ HAD SIX OUTS TO IMPROVE IDIOT, YOU ONLY HAD TWO!

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Realize in this example that AA is a made hand and KQ has to improve. This is where the error of you math comes in. But I don't think you were talking about AA vs. xx. I though (at first) you were talking about (for example) QQ vs. AK or 99 vs. KJs.

jman220 · #34 11-30-2005, 12:02 PM

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THE FIRST SEVEN TROLL POSTS WERE FUNNY. THEY ARENT FUNNY ANYMORE

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IF YOU MAKE A POST ON THIS BOARD THAT ISN'T A TROLL POST THEN YOU SUCK AT POKER.

Shajen · #35 11-30-2005, 12:19 PM

dids:

In this new age of enlightenment, realize the O RLY owl is played out.

You need to gain some knowledge:

PS: OP is correct. You all suck at poker.

Baloosh · #36 11-30-2005, 12:31 PM

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THE FIRST SEVEN TROLL POSTS WERE FUNNY. THEY ARENT FUNNY ANYMORE

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I'm sure screaming about it got your point across all that much more. Do you feel better now?

Emon96 · #37 11-30-2005, 12:32 PM

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dude ....think i overplayed this?? WTF THIS IS THE STORY OF MY MTT LIFE

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

UTG+1 (t20437)
MP1 (t7176)
MP2 (t12135)
MP3 (t4580)
CO (t19384)
Hero (t5000)
SB (t14085)
BB (t7280)
UTG (t11083)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t150, 1 fold, MP2 raises to t300, MP3 raises to t600, CO calls t600, Hero raises to t5000, 2 folds, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls t3980 (All-In), CO calls t4400.

Flop: (t15255) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t15255) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t15255) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t15255

Results in white below: 
MP3 has Kh Kd (flush, king high).
CO has 4c 4h (two pair, queens and fours).
Hero has As Ah (two pair, aces and queens).
Outcome: MP3 wins t14415. Hero wins t840. 

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What are you whining about...you all had the same two outs to win...which means you were all 50%. Imagine winning that pot and getting 150%!!!

Eder · #38 11-30-2005, 02:07 PM

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This is correct. Of course, he was getting 2:1 on his money, so preflop this was an EV neutral situation. And since you want to get your money in when you have the best of it, not when the pot odds are dead even, that makes this a fold.

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But wait, for that whole probability thing, don't you have to subtract some number from 1 to get the actual probability number?

So in your example, 1 - 2:1 would yield -1:0, or in other words any number divided by zero is 1, so mathematically, you were 1:1 to lose that hand, which is pretty close to 100% actually. This is a fold every time, if you care anything at all about Sklansky dollars.

And 4:1 odds makes it even worse. Using the math, that works out to over 175% against you winning with Pocket Aces against any 2 random cards.

Math is hard, but playing Pocket Aces is not. FOLD.

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I think I could find a CALL here ...aces are dominated, but implied odds make a call correct?

shmoosh · #39 11-30-2005, 02:18 PM

lol You got me

jman220 · #40 11-30-2005, 04:00 PM

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This is correct. Of course, he was getting 2:1 on his money, so preflop this was an EV neutral situation. And since you want to get your money in when you have the best of it, not when the pot odds are dead even, that makes this a fold.

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But wait, for that whole probability thing, don't you have to subtract some number from 1 to get the actual probability number?

So in your example, 1 - 2:1 would yield -1:0, or in other words any number divided by zero is 1, so mathematically, you were 1:1 to lose that hand, which is pretty close to 100% actually. This is a fold every time, if you care anything at all about Sklansky dollars.

And 4:1 odds makes it even worse. Using the math, that works out to over 175% against you winning with Pocket Aces against any 2 random cards.

Math is hard, but playing Pocket Aces is not. FOLD.

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I think I could find a CALL here ...aces are dominated, but implied odds make a call correct?

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Well, I've thought about it some more. And like I said, from a strict pot odds point, its EV neutral, you all have a 1:3 shot of winning and you're all getting 3:1 on your money. Assuming you play well postflop and can outplay your opponents if you hit your outs, then yeah, implied odds may make this worth a call.