Main Event some guy raises UTG and gets hand killed and shows AA ???

[FatalError]

just got back from 2nd break

200-400

UTG minraises to 800 and IMMEDIATELY picks up his phone and
starts sending a text message, dealer calls floor, floor kill hand

he turns up AA pissed off

folded to me with 7500 chips ATo in MP, there are 4 people left to act behind

This is a really weird situation, i mean there are 2 aces face up on the table meaning someone with AK or AQ might fold here but i'm in bad bad shape vs a pair

shaundeeb seems to think it's a clear fold i disagree

[curtains]

no antes at 200-400 ?

[curtains]

btw I'd thnik the exact opposite, that its a clear raise. A very large % of hands that call/play with you include aces. These hands are no longer likely to exist. Very good spot to raise with any 2 against non-genius opponents, especially if there are antes.

Of course if called your hand goes way down in value, I think this is counteracted by the fact that you are definitely less likely to be played with. Also your hand isn't that strong to begin with so a decent amount of it's value comes from stealing the blinds.

[JackOfSpeed]

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btw I'd thnik the exact opposite, that its a clear raise. A very large % of hands that call/play with you include aces. These hands are no longer likely to exist. Very good spot to raise with any 2 against non-genius opponents, especially if there are antes.

Of course if called your hand goes way down in value, I think this is counteracted by the fact that you are definitely less likely to be played with. Also your hand isn't that strong to begin with so a decent amount of it's value comes from stealing the blinds.

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From the raising with ATC standpoint, it's also unlikely that a player with Ace-x will now call your raise, since they would be drawing to 4 outs for a pair instead of 6. So I like a raise here with all sorts of hands, although ATC is probably overdoing it with no antes.

[curtains]

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btw I'd thnik the exact opposite, that its a clear raise. A very large % of hands that call/play with you include aces. These hands are no longer likely to exist. Very good spot to raise with any 2 against non-genius opponents, especially if there are antes.

Of course if called your hand goes way down in value, I think this is counteracted by the fact that you are definitely less likely to be played with. Also your hand isn't that strong to begin with so a decent amount of it's value comes from stealing the blinds.

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From the raising with ATC standpoint, it's also unlikely that a player with Ace-x will now call your raise, since they would be drawing to 4 outs for a pair instead of 6. So I like a raise here with all sorts of hands, although ATC is probably overdoing it with no antes.

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hehe yea, and the problem is our hand is very weak. Nearly as weak as any two cards but ok not quite. It just seems like a great chance to steal, but I'd probably be much more likely if there were antes. Maybe because the tourney starts with 20k chips and 50-100 blinds, there actually aren't antes at the 200-400 level.

[shaundeeb]

I like this with 27o more then A10o.

Here's an interesting question if you are BB are you calling with KQo there I think I wouldn't at the table but considering it's a much much stronger hand.

[adanthar]

bah it really sucks to have to fold here but I think you basically have to.

[curtains]

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I like this with 27o more then A10o.

Here's an interesting question if you are BB are you calling with KQo there I think I wouldn't at the table but considering it's a much much stronger hand.

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calling with KQ? What do you mean? Facing what kind of raise?

[curtains]

wait a second there is also 800 in dead money in the pot? Screw these monkeys, make a biggish raise! They probably won't be able to properly adjust their hand values and by virtue of all aces being dead, it should be a reasonable raise with any 2.

Hands like KQ should be almost the same as AK in this spot, but I doubt your opponents will realize this. Also folding KQ in the BB as someone mentioned above cannot be right. If you wouldn't fold AK, why fold KQ in a deck that has half the aces dead?

[Newt_Buggs]

damn curtains just got to it before I could. This is a very clear raise against average opponents given the 800 in dead money from UTG.