cards speak or players?

[ACPlayer]

Lat night at the Borg.

Player 1 and Player 2 are in a grudge match trying to outplay the other.

Bunch of fish fold, Player 1 raises, Player 2 3 bets and all fold. Flop, turn, river plenty of action. The river board looks like K J J T 9 something like that. Player 2 shows first 8-5 suited. Player 1 looks and looks, no one says anything. Player 1 starts to throw away the hand face down towards the dealer releases the hand but dealer is slow, no one says anything. Player 2 now says something like -- throw it away I got a straight. Someone now says -- "that's not a straight". Player 1 pulls back the hand and shows pocket 7s.

Appropriate/Inappropriate for a player to say that?
Appropriate/Inappropriate for the dealer to say that?

Incidentally, Player 1 could have been deliberately slow rolling and Player 2 could have been angle shooting or actually thought he had the straight. This was a grudge match and the players were not tooooo bad, definitely not newbies.

[steamraise]

Player 1 released his hand. Dealer should muck it.

Player 2 should not be miscalling his hand.
Dealer or random player is fine saying "that's not a straight".
But player 1's cards should be in the muck...

[mce86]

What did the dealer say? Player 2 wants him to muck his hand so he can take it down. The idiot who calls out the hand needs to shut up. You're not allowed to talk about the hand, and that is a classic reason why. If player 1 wants to muck, muck.

[AngusThermopyle]

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The idiot who calls out the hand needs to shut up. You're not allowed to talk about the hand, and that is a classic reason why. If player 1 wants to muck, muck.

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You are the idiot.
One player lied about his hand at the showdown and the dealer did not correct him. Anybody at the table had the right, if not the obligation, to state that the player did not have a straight.

[bernie]

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The idiot who calls out the hand needs to shut up. You're not allowed to talk about the hand, and that is a classic reason why. If player 1 wants to muck, muck.

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You are the idiot.
One player lied about his hand at the showdown and the dealer did not correct him. Anybody at the table had the right, if not the obligation, to state that the player did not have a straight.

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[WhiteKnight]

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The idiot who calls out the hand needs to shut up. You're not allowed to talk about the hand, and that is a classic reason why. If player 1 wants to muck, muck.

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You are the idiot.
One player lied about his hand at the showdown and the dealer did not correct him. Anybody at the table had the right, if not the obligation, to state that the player did not have a straight.

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[Eponymous]

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You're not allowed to talk about the hand, and that is a classic reason why. If player 1 wants to muck, muck.

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Making sure the hands are read correctly by helping analyze the board and tabled hands helps keep the game moving and is appreciated by every (reasonable) player. Not being allowed to talk about hands doesn't apply after showdown. If a player starts to muck because someone incorrectly identified his own hand being better than it is, he was just being sportsmanlike by believing the other player. He shouldn't be punished for it if his cards can be recovered.

[GiantBuddha]

The best hand wins the pot. When did this get so complicated?

[sirtimo]

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The best hand wins the pot. When did this get so complicated?

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QFT

Just table your [censored] hand and take the moniesz if it's best. I hate this [censored] back and forth crap with who shows first. [censored]

[pocketpared]

What was the game and what did the players look like?