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11-20-2007, 01:29 PM
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QQ OOP in 3bet pot
Villain is a pretty nitty regular. Runs at 23/15/4.5. He 3bets quite a bit usually, nothing crazy though. He just sat down so we have no history this session.
Should I just check/shove the flop and do you call the turn once we've got that far? $1/$2 No Limit Holdem 5 players Converted at weaktight.com Stacks: UTG (<font color="#0000cc">$406.60</font>) Hero (<font color="#0000cc">$197.00</font>) BTN (<font color="#0000cc">$212.40</font>) SB (<font color="#0000cc">$222.75</font>) BB (<font color="#0000cc">$222.00</font>) Pre-flop: ($3, 5 players) Hero is CO Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $7</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BTN raises to $21</font>, <font color="#777777">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $14 Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($45, 2 players) Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">BTN bets $35</font>, Hero calls $35 Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($115, 2 players) Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">BTN bets $156.4</font>, Hero ??? 
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#4
11-20-2007, 02:06 PM
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Re: QQ OOP in 3bet pot
claunchy, shpanko,
are we check shoving to profit from a cbet and for fear of overs/diamonds hitting the turn and killing our action or putting us behind? Is that about right? Is there any other reasons as to why we are doing so? I take a similar line to the one you guys suggest i'm just not sure if i fully understand why i'm taking that line.
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#5
11-20-2007, 02:08 PM
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Re: QQ OOP in 3bet pot
Push the flop.
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#6
11-20-2007, 02:09 PM
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Re: QQ OOP in 3bet pot
[ QUOTE ]
claunchy, shpanko, are we check shoving to profit from a cbet and for fear of overs/diamonds hitting the turn and killing our action or putting us behind? Is that about right? Is there any other reasons as to why we are doing so? I take a similar line to the one you guys suggest i'm just not sure if i fully understand why i'm taking that line. [/ QUOTE ] The flop is where we can best represent a draw, another diamond will kill our action unless we're beat, same goes for a A and K. It's also where we're most likely to get action from a lower PP. Calling oop also sucks vs hands such as Adx/Kdx. Pushing the flop has so many benefits compared to calling and playing the turn oop.
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#7
11-20-2007, 02:14 PM
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Re: QQ OOP in 3bet pot
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] claunchy, shpanko, are we check shoving to profit from a cbet and for fear of overs/diamonds hitting the turn and killing our action or putting us behind? Is that about right? Is there any other reasons as to why we are doing so? I take a similar line to the one you guys suggest i'm just not sure if i fully understand why i'm taking that line. [/ QUOTE ] The flop is where we can best represent a draw, another diamond will kill our action unless we're beat, same goes for a A and K. It's also where we're most likely to get action from a lower PP. Calling oop also sucks vs hands such as Adx/Kdx. Pushing the flop has so many benefits compared to calling and playing the turn oop. [/ QUOTE ] nice post
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#8
11-20-2007, 02:21 PM
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Re: QQ OOP in 3bet pot
Nick,
NH. Thanks for stepping in bro.
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#10
11-20-2007, 06:26 PM
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Re: QQ OOP in 3bet pot
C/R the flop is fine, but I would fold the turn. The most likely hands I see him pushing the turn with are AA, KK and AK or AQ with one or 2 diamonds. You are behind this range. Add in JJ and it's a coinflip. If you think he'd do this with 99 and TT too you're good to go.
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