200NL: KK on A high flop

[Montezuma21]

I've played one orbit against this villain, and we've clashed once. i'm posting the hand below. Hand 2 is the one i'm interested in. i'm posting the whole hand as i don't know if/where i might have gone wrong.

HAND 1:

Party Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: $200.45
CO: $222.55
Hero (BTN): $201
SB: $245.44
BB: $203

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $8</font>, SB calls $7, BB folds

Flop: ($18) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $12</font>, SB calls $12

Turn: ($42) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($42) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Results: $42 Pot ($2 Rake)
Hero showed A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (two pairs, Fours and Twos) and WON $20 (+$0 NET)
SB showed K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (two pairs, Fours and Twos) and WON $20 (+$0 NET)

HAND 2:
Party Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $201.45
BB: $200
Hero (UTG): $201
CO: $245.44
BTN: $200

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $8</font>, CO calls $8, 3 folds

Flop: ($19) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($19) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $8</font>, Hero calls $8

River: ($35) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks

[Foghatlive]

Having KK when an Ace hits on the flop is never a comfortable situation. I'd take a stab on the flop, if he calls, I start thinking about pot size management.

My guess it that he has an Ace w/ a medium kicker, just enough to keep him in the hand but not enough to go crazy.

[DirteAA]

I'm planning to c/c a reasonable river bet here, if for no other reason than to get some info.

I couldn't help but notice in hand 1 that you could/should have fired the turn as well.

[Montezuma21]

re hand 1: problem is i'm not sure whether or not he's the kind of guy to peel turn with A3/66. is this really such as easy 2nd barrel?

[TheJokerIsWild]

Hand 2: I really think you need to bet this flop (Maybe 3/4 pot). As played, I think i call a reasonable river bet. To me his line looks like a scared JJ hand, hence his weak turn bet.

[Miffed]

bet the flop, your hand is nothing different from having 88 and you'd fire that here as it balances your range.
Im not giving up with KK just because an Ace hits as i wouldnt with 88-QQ nor AK/AQ type hands i have here.

[Montezuma21]

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bet the flop, your hand is nothing different from having 88 and you'd fire that here as it balances your range.

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My hand is very different from 88 here. with KK this is a WA/WB situation. with 88 it isn't

[shpanko]

Seriously wtf at some of the replies in this thread? Unless this guy is a huge station or you have the worst image ever betting with KK here is a bluff and a terrible one at that.

PF/FLOP/TURN are fine, river you can either c/c or block either works. These situations suck b/c you can't get a lot of money in ahead so your line is perfect.

And don't listen to some of these people saying "You have to bet the flop!" because betting the flop literally accomplishes nothing.