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11-01-2007, 02:24 PM
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Re: Tanenbaum or Stox?
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50-60% on the flop kinda scares me, because I always have to remember Sklansky's horse racing paradox where a bunch of weak hands can be a combined massive favorite over a single strong one. I'd rather be HU with some weak tight guy who folds too much. [/ QUOTE ] I don't I have ever seen that from Sklansky, but this sounds like some of the early discussions about implicit collusion (see Morton's Theorem). If you have a strong hand and get one caller with a marginal hand, the caller is acting incorrectly. But if you get multiple callers with marginal hands, the resulting size of the pot could be giving each caller proper odds, so that each is now making a correct decision. 
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#2
11-01-2007, 03:47 PM
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Re: Tanenbaum or Stox?
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If you have a strong hand and get one caller with a marginal hand, the caller is acting incorrectly. But if you get multiple callers with marginal hands, the resulting size of the pot could be giving each caller proper odds, so that each is now making a correct decision. [/ QUOTE ] For one thing, when most of the people in the hand are playing unsuited broadway cards, they "get in each other's way" and a hand such as 98s can go up in equity. For another, not everyone is making good calls in a multiplayer situation. What might be right for 22 and 98s can still be wrong for K7. Anyway, the real point is that if you have AA, it's your equity in the pot that matters, not your probability of winning the pot. Anyone drawing to a gutshot getting 15:1 understands the basic principles involved here :-) (BTW, not responding directly to you so much...)
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#5
11-01-2007, 06:52 PM
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Re: Tanenbaum or Stox?
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[ QUOTE ] Definitely get the SH D&B book [/ QUOTE ] Whats the SH D&B book? I dont get what D&B stands for [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] D&B is the publisher. SH = This short handed book.
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#7
11-01-2007, 07:19 PM
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Re: Tanenbaum or Stox?
Are the two Tanenbaum books a compiliation of his Card Player columns, new material or a combination (and if a combination about what percent of new v CP columns)?
~ Rick
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#8
11-01-2007, 07:53 PM
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Re: Tanenbaum or Stox?
His Advanced Strategy book is both a combination of stuff he has written for Card Player (some of which has been reworked) and all new material. The Shorthanded book is written by two Shorthanded experts named Terry Borer and Lawrence Mak with BT acting as a collaborator. To be honest, you could give the Advanced book a miss. It's pretty good but not "essential" however the SH book is a must have for any serious limit hold 'em player. It is the best material available on short handed play. I don't know of anyone yet who has read this book that wasn't highly impressed by it.
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#9
11-02-2007, 02:01 AM
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Re: Tanenbaum or Stox?
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however the SH book is a must have for any serious limit hold 'em player. It is the best material available on short handed play. I don't know of anyone yet who has read this book that wasn't highly impressed by it. [/ QUOTE ] Listen to Adman. He speaks the truth [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] The Tanenbaum book is okay with some good points, but the Borer/Mak book is really good. /Smurf
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#10
11-02-2007, 02:40 AM
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Re: Tanenbaum or Stox?
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His Advanced Strategy book is both a combination of stuff he has written for Card Player (some of which has been reworked) and all new material. [/ QUOTE ] I'll probably get it given I'm in LA and don't play much higher than 20/40; from the CP articles Barry's style is fairly well suited for these mid level full ring games. [ QUOTE ] The Shorthanded book is written by two Shorthanded experts named Terry Borer and Lawrence Mak with BT acting as a collaborator. To be honest, you could give the Advanced book a miss. It's pretty good but not "essential" however the SH book is a must have for any serious limit hold 'em player. It is the best material available on short handed play. I don't know of anyone yet who has read this book that wasn't highly impressed by it. [/ QUOTE ] It will be interesting to compare this with the Stox book. There's not too much short play in LA B&M below 40/80 but sometimes the short strategy can be applied when you have walkers or the game is starting and tight. Thanks for the heads up. ~ Rick
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