Second pair any good here? [200NL]

[BombayBadboy]

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $394.55
BB: $150.01
BombayBadboy (UTG): $229.10
MP: $105.47
CO: $200.00
BTN: $223.95

Preflop: BombayBadboy is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">BombayBadboy raises to $7.00</font>, MP calls $7.00, 3 folds, BB calls $5.00

Flop: ($22) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, BombayBadboy checks, MP checks

Turn: ($22) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">BombayBadboy bets $15.00</font>, MP calls $15.00, BB folds

River: ($52) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BombayBadboy checks, <font color="red">MP bets $43.00</font>, BombayBadboy calls $43.00

Pot Size: $138.00 ($3 Rake)

First time I play with villain. He doesn't seem too good. Limps PF quite alot. No significant PT stats at the time.

Call goot?

[Louis Vuitton]

imo ur beat most of the time here as played, he's almost potting it on the riv and no draws rly miss, often when i call these I see an ace or a nine here.

[BombayBadboy]

Given the size of his bet, I don't think we are looking at an an ace here? A 9 would be my first choice if he has me beat.

[Unknown Soldier]

since the A isnt a club i think you can safely fold here.

[mertzo]

I would check turn and wait for the river to VB, they be calling almost the same hands and you make yourself unbluffable and youll always get to show it down. On the river as played, a fold is correct.

Unknown soldier, does it really matter &gt;5% of the times? Easy fold even with Ac on the board

[Unknown Soldier]

not sure about the math, but im pretty sure it means that are a fewer flush draws by a decent %. Since i expect and unknown to play any suited A.

It's a fold even if the A is a club too i think, but w/o it seems pretty clear. That's all i was getting at. The 9c being out there makes a bit of a difference too.

[Mat Cauthon]

This is very often trip 9s +, trying to get value from your ace.
He could also be betting an ace, since he knows you're almost never ahead of him. You could fold a split or call with a worse hand, putting him on a bluff.
So few missed draws he could bluff with makes this a very easy fold imo.

[mertzo]

Yeah k, then we agree. Hows 400nl?

[Unknown Soldier]

pretty big step from 200nl iirc, but 200 nlseems like a long time ago (even though its only been a couple of weeks). Less fish and more regs (although a fair amount of the regs still arent great).

im playing 600nl atm actually, but im like a yoyo, i'm currently on my 3rd attempt at 600nl. That seems really agro compared to the other levels. There are more lagtags.

[BombayBadboy]

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This is very often trip 9s +, trying to get value from your ace.
He could also be betting an ace, since he knows you're almost never ahead of him. You could fold a split or call with a worse hand, putting him on a bluff.
So few missed draws he could bluff with makes this a very easy fold imo.

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I have an ace in this spot like never. Even dumb villains see this.

Seems that the consensus folding is, so I guess its probably the correct play.

I called because of his betsizing (didn't look like he wanted a call..TAGs use it to get paid, donkish halfstacks use it as a bluff) and the fact that my hand look incredibly weak to him.