raising for a free showdown?

[Blue Lagoon]

SB is quite loose and aggressive.

Open-raise in CO with A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
both blinds call.

Flop: A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Both blinds check. I bet. SB check-raises. BB folds. I call.

Turn: 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
SB bets. Hero? raises? calls?

[TheHip41]

i just call here. I raise a club or 9, or A river though.

On the turn, if you are ahead, he has like 1 or 2 outs, why do you want him to fold?

[Blue Lagoon]

I want him to call and check the river. Then I can check behind unimproved (he could have an ace with a better kicker).
And I bet if I catch aces up or a flush. So I win or lose the same amount UI but I win an extra bet if I improve.

What do you think?

[NinaWilliams]

I think you still usually get an extra bet when you improve. Getting 3 bet on the turn isnt very fun, and I dont want to let him off the hook if hes making some retarded bluff or has like a weak pair like 8T K7 etc.

[Blue Lagoon]

In fact, this example is from Weighing the Odds in Hold'em Poker (King Yao), p.210, "Raising on the turn for a free SD".

And I don't really understand why he wants to raise this turn.

[Kazuma]

Would villan not 3 bet AK-AT preflop?

[Oink]

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In fact, this example is from Weighing the Odds in Hold'em Poker (King Yao), p.210, "Raising on the turn for a free SD".

And I don't really understand why he wants to raise this turn.

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I have been thinking about buying that book. Now I dont want to. I think raise/folding is pretty terrible!

The pot is 5 BB before the turn so if Hero gets 3-bet he will get 10:1. With 5 outs againt K8, 6 outs against A8, 9 out against A2 and considering that Hero is ahead of A7-A3 folding for 1 BB in a 10BB pot is so damn terrible.

OP. Are you sure Yao wants to raise/fold and not raise/call?

[MrEngenic]

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In fact, this example is from Weighing the Odds in Hold'em Poker (King Yao), p.210, "Raising on the turn for a free SD".

And I don't really understand why he wants to raise this turn.

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Lol, I remember posting this hand almost two years ago.

[Gurravasa]

I don't know how you rank a quite loose and agressive? But if you expect him to check a club-river I like the raise on turn. If you don't catch the club you can check behind and if you catch it you get at least 1BB more from him. If you expect him to bet a club river there is less value in raising turn and risk getting 3-bet. Summary: the more passive he is, tend to raise turn, the more agressive, just call turn and call river when you don't improve.

[yourface]

looks like a pure value raise vs a LAG, I'd bet the river too