FUH KIN WIERD - Page 4

Ship Ship McGipp · #31 08-31-2007, 01:40 AM

Guys, here's the thing. I was wrong in thinking about the hand. I mean, I think it's just a "what level do you put him on question."

I picked the wrong level.

The line, to all sane players, looks like a bluff. It would be atrocious for him to check the turn with anything legit, since I will frequently CRAI on the turn with bluffs and mediocre made hands. I assumed he knew that.

After the knowledge of hand 1, I assumed that he was capable of raising top pair hands frequently. I think he'd play KQ like this, and that's it.

FWIW, I would snap call if I had any ace but the ace of clubs. I think his line is horrible, and I was going to immediately CRAI on ANY river bet size EXCEPT 330. Honestly, against this particular player, I was going to CRAI with 300 or less, CC 350 or more, so nh to him, picking the amount to bluff that I thought he would pick to value bet. Again, just a leveling thing.

It more goes along the lines of "No good player would bluff with this line- jesus christ I hope he knows that."

Whoops.

Ship Ship McGipp · #32 08-31-2007, 01:41 AM

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against this guy maybe c/c flop?

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seems weak as the pfr, top of my c-betting range prob

Ship Ship McGipp · #33 08-31-2007, 01:43 AM

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ae,

I like flop call. We have a big part of his range drawing to around 2 outs, but not many hands in his range we can profitably get all-in on this flop. Also we have pretty much no FE against any legit hand he is raising here. Interested to hear your plan if he bet 300 on a low non club turn? What about a club? I think A/J/K I'd check/call. Now I call for sure. Too likely he puts you on a hand like this knows he has no showdown value.

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Dunno what my plan was on many turns, I might have done goofy things that re-donked into him to induce bluffs and or freeze him up if I hit three of a kind or two pair, and maybe even half pot donked if I made my flush. It's the kind of thing I would also do with a weak made hand that was ahead of his bluff range but needed added equity and certain turns to rebluff with a donk-lead.

So my range is pretty balanced there.

Parlay Slow · #34 08-31-2007, 01:44 AM

the thing about thinking on levels there is ultimately you only need to be right one time in three, so you go ahead and look him up

jfish · #35 08-31-2007, 01:44 AM

i was also suspicious of that exact river bet size fwiw. horrendous line by him in both hands. like really really bad.

Parlay Slow · #36 08-31-2007, 01:45 AM

jfish,

apparently you missed that he's a solid winner at MSNL

MatthewRyan · #37 08-31-2007, 01:45 AM

why not 3bet the flop? I would do that here like 90% of the time, or more.

Ship Ship McGipp · #38 08-31-2007, 01:47 AM

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jfish,

apparently you missed that he's a solid winner at MSNL

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more importantly, dude won the million.

guys, all it takes it confidence.

Parlay Slow · #39 08-31-2007, 01:47 AM

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why not 3bet the flop? I would do that here like 90% of the time, or more.

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name some hands vs which a flop 3 bet is an optimal line

Ship Ship McGipp · #40 08-31-2007, 01:48 AM

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why not 3bet the flop? I would do that here like 90% of the time, or more.

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stacks are bad for it. he's got no hand i'm ahead of that will want to have FE, so no need to give it to him, so i need FE myself, which i can't really get bc of stacks and a shove being an overbet.

i can just procede better on latter streets.