JJ in sb versus BelowAbove

[whynot?]

Gang

this is a hand discussed on another forum where most folks say fold pre. I just dont see this as right and wanted the collective wisdom of 2+2

heres the deal - BA is bb. all stacks are 4500-5000. blinds are 15/30. We're unknown to BA but we obviously know his rep

Cutoff opens for 90. SB is hero here and calls for 90 with jj(mistake imo unless youre playing to trap a known lag). BA rasies to 420.

So most responders said fold to the raise, a few say flat and play post. I think the right move is to make it 1200 - you gain a bit of respect from BA and you are certainly ahead of his range. For the record, I'd call the four bet shove as well.

Am i crazy (so i know the answer is yes, but referring to this hand)?

[FGators]

Given the nature of MTTs at this level and the fact that tons of people open light in the HJ,CO,button,etc I'm definitely popping preflop to about t300ish.

To fold to this raise, IMO, is ridiculous.

The only point I could see for it is that Below doesn't know the 2 players in the hand and is therefore less likely to squeeze fearing that he can't squeeze unknowns.

Still I don't think you can think like that.

I'm shoving here and picking up the money in the pot, which I expect to take it down a lot.

[ZJ123]

shoving or raising sucks for obvious reason of Below is only calling with a better hand. I think folding is ok because were OOP against a crazy man, and calling is prolly ok as well.

[nath]

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raising sucks for obvious reason of Below is only calling with a better hand.

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[adanthar]

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raising sucks for obvious reason of Below is only calling with a better hand.

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nath that's vs. you

vs. me he is likely to act differently lol

[Ansky]

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raising sucks for obvious reason of Below is only calling with a better hand.

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[Eagles]

I'll expand on this more but if you call pf and the flop is 932r its a such an easy bet call. If you donk below will shove so many high cards/any draw and will never fold a pair. (I.e. he's never folding.

[nath]

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raising sucks for obvious reason of Below is only calling with a better hand.

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lolololololololololololol

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great input in this thread A+

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[FGators]

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shoving or raising sucks for obvious reason of Below is only calling with a better hand. I think folding is ok because were OOP against a crazy man, and calling is prolly ok as well.

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Below isn't folding nines,tens,AQ,AK here and probably not sevens or eights from my play with him and what I know of him. Don't rule out AJs, though with us holding two jacks its a rare case.

[GreatKerblini]

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I'm shoving here and picking up the money in the pot, which I expect to take it down a lot.

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This is horrific. So u want to fold worse hands and get stacked the rest of the time?

I call and play poker.