J8 UTG 5bb easy push by ICM?

The blackjacker · #1 10-07-2007, 11:13 PM

5 handed
blinds 200/400

UTG: Hero 2000
CO Player1 3000
Button player2 3000
SB player3 2000
BB player4 3000

Hero: J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I thought about this. Seems like an easy fold when you first look at it.
But let's say they all call with: (44+,A7s+,A9o+,KJs+)
SNGPT gives EV= -0.5
Although it says the fold ev is zero. makes it 16.4% of pricepool. However the next hand you are the bigblind, so the fold ev isn't really zero is it?
More like 14.1% of pricepool. And even if you get a walk on the big blind half the time (14.1+16.4)/2 =15.25 it's less than 15.9% of pricepool that is ev push.

So it seems this would be a rather easy push. I hope you have som comments on the reasoning, since I haven't tried these calcualtions to much, maybe it's all wrong if you have to consider some other facts or whatever.

sence25 · #2 10-07-2007, 11:46 PM

Yeah I do those at times.

rakemeplz · #3 10-08-2007, 12:37 AM

Even if you push you're still paying the big blind next hand right, did you take that into account?

Jauron · #4 10-08-2007, 01:02 AM

Not if he looses. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Everyone's in the same crappy spot, I think your ranges are a little on the tight side.

vers · #5 10-08-2007, 01:26 AM

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I am a lot more inclined to do this with less chips like 4 BB or less. It's a different story if the blinds are about to go up.

sence25 · #6 10-08-2007, 01:28 AM

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I am a lot more inclined to do this with less chips like 4 BB or less. It's a different story if the blinds are about to go up.

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Yeah, I was more about the general situation.
5BB are not that short, you're right - but sometimes you have to shove hands your icmtool doesn't want you to shove, just wanted to tell that by my comment.

drzen · #7 10-08-2007, 02:41 AM

They'll call a fair bit looser than that, particularly the BB. I think A2s+, A5+, K9s+, KT+, QJ, QTs, 22+ will call me with his stack. SB about the same range.

I'd be willing to consider it for one reason: two of bigger stacks will be the blinds when I'm on the button next time. If I've paid two blinds, I'm only pushing 1400 into them and I think I get called by a pretty wide range.

The blackjacker · #8 10-08-2007, 11:57 AM

Yes the ranges might be a bit of. But is the calculation given the ranges correct or do you have to consider anyting else?