[150NL] 88 Flopped set 550bb's Deep

[Benzooor]

Villain is Danibus, a good TAG running 23.4/12.9/1.5 over 300+ hands. I have never really tangled with him, and he doesnt get too out of line. I have called him on one bluff and shown a bluff but we have not really gotten involved.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.50 BB (6 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($187.95)
SB ($300)
BB ($653.50)
UTG ($1046.95)
Hero ($824.70)
CO ($206.85)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $5.25</font>, Hero calls $5.25, CO calls $5.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $4.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($22.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $18</font>, Hero calls $18, CO folds, SB folds.

Turn: ($58.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $37.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $101</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $338.5</font>, Hero calls $200.

River: ($698) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $722.70, and is all in</font>

Is this a fold?

[I-Love-Poker]

Insta call that [censored]


NVM, this has to be KK, AA.

But I still hate folding, this is sooo sick.

[ajmargarine]

Nope. Don't call turn if you're going to fold on river. Don't raise turn and call unless you are willing to play for stacks.

[RivFader]

Fold. I'd expect to see KK or AA here almost always. Almost no one, especially a nit like this is going to make megabig bets like that without at least KK here. Maybe 44 is possible but I think you're beat here.

[loosbastard]

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Don't raise turn and call unless you are willing to play for stacks.

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Don't really agree w/ this. Raising, at the time, was the most +EV play. Just because he 3-bet doesn't make the decision to raise wrong...and we don't have to necessarily play for stacks here either given how deep we are. I mean like 95% of the time, he's just calling this raise and probably paying off a (now) much larger river bet. Saying we shouldn't raise turn is being too results-oriented IMO.

As for the actual hand, wow, I'm tempted to dump the turn. Definitely dumping river though. Of course I rarely ever play this deep (like most here)...so take that FWIW.

[willw9]

TBH I don't think there's much value in raising this turn.

[I-Love-Poker]

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TBH I don't think there's much value in raising this turn.

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Then do you raise flop?
That would make no sense not to raise. Do you call flop, call turn, raise/fold river?

[loosbastard]

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TBH I don't think there's much value in raising this turn.

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Calling down and him tabling AK would tilt me so hard.

[the machine]

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TBH I don't think there's any value in raising this turn, unless villain has exactly AK.

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the ace on the turn should shut down all hands that didnt improve. unless villain has now made 2 pair, (and worse 2 pair hands then AK this deep will still be wary of the other possible holdings) then villain will be shutting down on that card alot.

the only value raising the turn has is it makes it easier to get our stacks in by the river without an overbet.

im totally undecided wether i get it in herre or not

[ajmargarine]

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Don't raise turn and call unless you are willing to play for stacks.

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Don't really agree w/ this. Raising, at the time, was the most +EV play. Just because he 3-bet doesn't make the decision to raise wrong...and we don't have to necessarily play for stacks here either given how deep we are. I mean like 95% of the time, he's just calling this raise and probably paying off a (now) much larger river bet. Saying we shouldn't raise turn is being too results-oriented IMO.

As for the actual hand, wow, I'm tempted to dump the turn. Definitely dumping river though. Of course I rarely ever play this deep (like most here)...so take that FWIW.

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Ya, we are saying the same thing.