debatable flop ?

frenchpignouf · #1 11-23-2007, 11:31 AM

utg is 18/14.6/1.2 over 80 hands.
btn is 26.7/19.8/2 regular tag.

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Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, Button caps, 2 folds, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13.40 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, Button bets, UTG raises, Hero calls, Button calls.

Turn: (9.70 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls, Button raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero folds

On the flop, if the is no fd, it is wa/wb imo. UTG has not very often AT and A9, A8, 88, 99 are in his range. Of course I don't mind if btn call down with kk.

inferno · #2 11-23-2007, 11:37 AM

with these stats I think folding the flop here is correct, but in hand I would prolly c/3bet the flop and go from there folding the turn as the action goes like this

londomollari · #3 11-23-2007, 11:49 AM

Button is probably folding with 99/88 and may well just have a big pair here (the way the hand went he must have JhJx)
UTG can have 88/99, AK or an optimistic AQ occasionally. Is 3-betting worth it to stop the button backdooring a flush?

Wolfram · #4 11-23-2007, 12:27 PM

I don't fold this flop.

I think a 3-bet would be good vs loose villains, but in this case I'm calling and reevaluating.

Turn is an easy fold ofc.

milesdyson · #5 11-23-2007, 04:06 PM

i donk the flop because i play as if my opponents are both me, and donking the flop is best in hero's spot vs. two of me.

DeathDonkey · #6 11-23-2007, 04:34 PM

I'd feel like I have the nuts on the flop. Turn action proves otherwise but I would have raised the turn the first time if I slowplayed like this on the flop. This isn't a spot to fear anything (until you see UTG 3 bet the turn that is).

-DeathDonkey

bobhalford · #7 11-23-2007, 08:23 PM

If I'm not donking the flop, I'm check/3-betting it.

inferno · #8 11-24-2007, 05:42 AM

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i donk the flop because i play as if my opponents are both me, and donking the flop is best in hero's spot vs. two of me.

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thinking your opponents play like you might be a big mistake [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]