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Old 11-26-2007, 03:03 PM
Profish2285 Profish2285 is offline
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Default KK BvB

Villain runs at 34/5/5.6 over a small sample. I didnt see a reason to go crazy on the flop as I was in position. Maybe raising is better but I thought it was pretty close either way.

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">Hero ($50)</font>
UTG ($50)
MP ($62)
Button ($63.15)
<font color="#C00000">SB ($78.45)</font>

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, SB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $7</font>, Hero calls $3.50.

Turn: ($18.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $9</font>, Hero....
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Old 11-26-2007, 03:12 PM
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Really bad card for your hand. Before the turn play, I'd say the most likely card in his hand is a J, club or not. The 8 completes the straight, and while not a club, it's a pretty bad situation. I point at his overall aggression as a reason to repop the flop. I can see him getting it AI with a pair/straight draw or pair/flush draw type hand, and there are so many cards bad for your hand that will be difficult to play if any more come.

Call me crazy but I think I'll fold to his bet. We aren't getting odds to draw to our straight, and what happens if the Jc comes? I doubt if we call that he'll check the river, and what do we do if we flat, the river bricks, and he leads out for like 50% of pot again?
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Old 11-26-2007, 03:25 PM
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The sample is only 38 hands so his AF can change dramatically. With that said, his AF is a reason why I dont think a turn call is too bad in that he doesnt seem the type to slow down with a Queen just because a scare card hits.
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Old 11-26-2007, 03:30 PM
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Default Re: KK BvB

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The sample is only 38 hands so his AF can change dramatically


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Yeah, I didn't see the sample size, i spazzed.

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With that said, his AF is a reason why I dont think a turn call is too bad in that he doesnt seem the type to slow down with a Queen just because a scare card hits.


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If that's true, then why not raise? If you think he'll bet the river again even if a 3rd club/K comes, you don't think he'll call a reraise?

If you flat call the turn, and the river is say, the 2d. He leads for $20. Will you call?
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Old 11-26-2007, 03:34 PM
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I really dont know, for some reason at the time I thought flatting was best but now that I think about it raising is definitely better.
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Old 11-26-2007, 03:47 PM
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Default Re: KK BvB

ur line is fine altho shoving is fine too imo.

but when u flat the flop u have to b able to dump on these turns. the part of his range that u were ahead of just crushed u thus now u r WELL behind his range not to mention that if u r still ahead u basically have no chance of gettin much more money in the pot unless he just bluffs off
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Old 11-26-2007, 04:32 PM
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Too drawy board to wait for a blank turn. Just 3-bet the flop and get it in vs his Qx/oesd/fd/combo draw or whatever. If he has QT/T9/Q9 oh well.
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Old 11-26-2007, 05:46 PM
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I would be popping the flop.
As played I'd hate it, but I'd fold the turn.
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Old 11-26-2007, 05:49 PM
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FWIW I always 3b this flop but I was just messing around with flatting in position. Wanted to see everyone's thoughts and how the hand plays out differently when I take different lines.
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Old 11-26-2007, 06:00 PM
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He is calling your bet OOP, so i would really consider a pocket pair... Though it is true, there is a possibility of you facing an AQ, that possibility is less likely then him having 99, TT, QQ, 88, or a jack... I would say your well under here most of the time, don't commit urself any further. get out.
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