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Old 11-19-2007, 02:25 AM
Aquadougs Aquadougs is offline
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Default NL100: Setmining against a TAG who 3bets my preflopraise

I 4betted small against this guy earlyer and he folded. He seems like an average TAG, and have 3betted about 3 times in 100 hands.


Party Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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UTG: $95.61
Hero (MP): $249.82
CO: $208.20
BTN: $29.98
SB: $97.50
BB: $100

Pre-Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG calls $1, <font color="red">Hero raises to $5</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $15</font>, 2 folds


Should I call this?
If not, how big should the stacksizes be to make a call profitable?
Which holecards could I call with here?
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Old 11-19-2007, 02:42 AM
Dire Dire is offline
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Default Re: NL100: Setmining against a TAG who 3bets my preflopraise

He is 3-betting light. This means you do not have implied odds and there is no mining to be done. Call and be willing to do more than set mine with your hand, or fold.
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Old 11-19-2007, 02:46 AM
Ranma4703 Ranma4703 is offline
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Default Re: NL100: Setmining against a TAG who 3bets my preflopraise

You're in position, see a flop. The best way to punish a light 3 betting TAG is calling with position, because being out of position sucks. Call in position, and play the following hands exactly the same by shoving the flop if it isn't an overbet, or raising their cbet large: Sets, over pairs, most higher TPTK (not a TP of 5's), combo draws (including things like 1 over + flush draw or straight draw, some pairs + gs, etc), two pair. Basically, you are looking to get it in with a range of hands that make it unprofitable to call with a top pair, but will still have high equity versus his calling range.

At least, I believe that is the current standard for dealing with people who 3bet light, but I'm new to this so correct me if I'm wrong.
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Old 11-19-2007, 02:47 AM
dirtylobster dirtylobster is offline
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Default Re: NL100: Setmining against a TAG who 3bets my preflopraise

Yeah I don't mind calling but I do mind setmining as you don't have the odds. But there are other ways to win the pot.
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Old 11-19-2007, 03:19 AM
Aquadougs Aquadougs is offline
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Default Re: NL100: Setmining against a TAG who 3bets my preflopraise

How often do you call and "do more than set mine with your hand" here?
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Old 11-19-2007, 03:39 AM
Ranma4703 Ranma4703 is offline
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Default Re: NL100: Setmining against a TAG who 3bets my preflopraise

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How often do you call and "do more than set mine with your hand" here?

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Depends on how often he 3 bets, how recently he has 3 bet, how positionally aware he is, how in love he gets with top pair, how much fold equity I'll have, whether he is a thinking playing... Basically, too many things to consider. But if he is either a tight post flop player who plays fit or fold or a very loose fish who will stack off light, I'm calling a lot of reraises with position, especially if I have been raising a lot preflop.
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Old 11-19-2007, 04:24 AM
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Default Re: NL100: Setmining against a TAG who 3bets my preflopraise

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He is 3-betting light. This means you do not have implied odds and there is no mining to be done. Call and be willing to do more than set mine with your hand, or fold.

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Old 11-19-2007, 04:29 AM
aka_bebel aka_bebel is offline
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Default Re: NL100: Setmining against a TAG who 3bets my preflopraise

He 3bet you 3 times in 100 hands?I don't think this is light.
You are UTG+1 so if you say he is some kind of TAG I don't think he is going to have a weak hand here often.

I'll just fold and wait for a better spot.
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Old 11-19-2007, 04:32 AM
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Default Re: NL100: Setmining against a TAG who 3bets my preflopraise

3 times in 100 is a lot. I'll call most of the time and 4-bet once in a blue moon.
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Old 11-19-2007, 04:52 AM
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3 times in 100 is a lot. I'll call most of the time and 4-bet once in a blue moon.

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3 times in 100 is in no way a lot.
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