Cheating at a poker room?

[meow_meow]

It's pretty pathetic that something like that could go on at the Bellagio, but I'm more surprised by the credulity of a lot of the responses - just because they are trying to cheat doesn't mean they do it well.

But really, I think the dealers have some responsibility to stop this kind of thing. They are in the unique position of being able to seruptitiously scope mucked hands. I remember one day playing at a indian casino in nowhere Ontario, two guys came in, sat down beside each other, were obviously kicking each other under the table, laughing, and making it pretty obvious. I gave the dealer a look, she shrugs. Next dealer comes in, a guy I know plays and deals underground in Toronto. 5 minutes in he calls over the supervisor and whispers something to her, 5 minutes later the cheaters are kicked. It should be just that easy. This is a 5-10 FL game in backwater Ontario, not 5-10 NL at the Bellagio.

[David Troyer]

Tommy and Sue where sitting next to each other on Nov 7 in the 5-10 n/l game. The person I was talking to and watching the various signals has seen them working together as a team many times before. The hand that i gave an example where the two isolate a person then tommy signals a reraise after the flop is just one example of their collusion. There is no questions that they where working together.
dave

[Howard Burroughs]

Hi Dave,

The times I have played 2-5 & 10-20 NL at Bellagio, I have not noticed cheating (but I'm not an expert). I mostly play lower limits (played Hooters, Red Rock & Orleans tonight). I know these out of the way places don't have the big games you are looking for but if you think Bellagio is so bad.....

Why not just play at Wynn, Red Rock, etc?


You have been knocking 'em dead in the $5-10 with your SPR's, why let that fun couple put you on tilt?



They may just be a fun couple wanting to give you their money. Relax and take a deep breathe, Bro.


Best Wishes

Howard

[David Troyer]

I said they where cheating, not that they where smart or good or discrete at it. This was just one example of their team work observed many times.

[CAMEL1111]

WOW, wtf?

[jeffnc]

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I said they where cheating, not that they where smart or good or discrete at it. This was just one example of their team work observed many times.

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Yeah, but what you said is that they need "signals" for raises or folds, which is obviously ridiculous to anyone who's played poker before. So your story has a strange little hole in it. It's not a question of "being good at it", it's a question of you percieving some need for signals, which raises a question about your ability to evaluate the entire situation.

[andyfox]

They might be colluders, but from the evidence you've provided here, I don't see it. A player in seat 1 would not need to signal his intentions to a player in seat 2, as others have pointed out. He acts first, he doesn't need a raise "signal." Lots of players inadvertently signal their intentions before it's their turn to act. That two players put in $520 to take $60 from the "mark" seems silly. I know, one can claim they are incompetent cheaters, but is this the best example you have of how they have colluded?

I have a 2+2 friend who play only occasionally. When he does come to the cardroom, I enjoy his company and I will leave my regular bigger game to play in his slightly lower stakes game and I will always sit next to him; we will ask for a table change if we are moved from a must move game to different tables. So it's not unheard of that two people come to the cardroom to play together at the same table.

Again, I'm not saying these two aren't cheating, but I don't see any evidence of it whatsoever in what you've posted here.

[TropAndEastern]

If they were cheating, in the hand where Sue reraised Tommy's flop bet, why wouldn't he have checked to her, let her bet the $120, have the old lady call the $120, then reraise it in order to get another $120 out of the third party. Instead they risked over $600 to get her $60 bucks. And you observed all of this in under an hour? Seems like a really paranoid uncalled for accusation to me. I think I'd be grateful to have them playing at my table. Thanks for chasing them out of Bellagio.

[moris]

I think I have seen that girl there. So far, I have seen her with about 3 different guys. Based on your evidence and her style of play, I don't see collusion. The girl I am thing of plays an aggressive game post flop. Based on her playing style, I don't see what you observed as being collusion.

But I could be talking about someone completely different.

[David Troyer]

Yea, sue is a cute small asian chick with black hair.