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#11
11-02-2007, 11:06 PM
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Re: 55 UTG
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[ QUOTE ] We're open shoving 55 UTG for 14BB's @ a 10handed table? This seriously cant be good. [/ QUOTE ] Well my point was just mainly that live players are incredibly nitty. As I said I'm not sure if this is a fold or not, it's pretty close which I'm sure is why betgo posted it. Antes are huge though, 10 handed there will be 2200 dead in the middle, equivalent to about 750/1500 blinds with no antes so really we have an effective BB of under 8. In live tournaments when antes are so large and players are extra nitty, I lean towards shoving I think. Raising is bad because you're UTG and live players just love to call stupid [censored] which you're always flipping vs. and you will be OOP and have no way to play the flop. Shove for FE or fold. As I said with big antes and live nits I'm leaning shove. [/ QUOTE ] Not that it makes it right just because other pros do it, but I know multiple pros that play almost entirely live who push here. I only know one (and he's very good) pro who plays live that will routinely fold here. In *my* mind, that just goes to show that it *is* close and not an "obvious fold" or "obvious shove". 
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#12
11-02-2007, 11:28 PM
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Re: 55 UTG
I actually raised 2.5xBB to 2K. How bad is that? Most of my previous early position raises had not been called.
Both blinds flat call. Both have me covered. The flop comes AAT with a 2-flush. SB checks, BB bets 1500. BB seems like a typical somewhat straightforward live player. He had previously made a remark when there was a limp, a mid position raise, and I pushed with 66 and beat AK that that was a ballsy play with 66. What do I do now?
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#13
11-02-2007, 11:46 PM
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Re: 55 UTG
Oh man, i was really curious what you had this hand...
i dont like the open at all, i think your 2.5x opening range there should be more like TT+, you're just stealing blinds really - and from UTG 10 handed.
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#14
11-03-2007, 12:42 AM
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Re: 55 UTG
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Oh man, i was really curious what you had this hand... i dont like the open at all, i think your 2.5x opening range there should be more like TT+, you're just stealing blinds really - and from UTG 10 handed. [/ QUOTE ] Ray, being at that table, what would you have done? (shove/fold)
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#17
11-03-2007, 01:16 AM
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Re: 55 UTG
you can see 1 more orbital. i hate shove though utg, and would rather raise like 8k and you might get A 10 to fold if your going o play it
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#20
11-03-2007, 02:23 AM
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Re: 55 UTG
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I actually raised 2.5xBB to 2K. How bad is that? Most of my previous early position raises had not been called. Both blinds flat call. Both have me covered. The flop comes AAT with a 2-flush. SB checks, BB bets 1500. BB seems like a typical somewhat straightforward live player. He had previously made a remark when there was a limp, a mid position raise, and I pushed with 66 and beat AK that that was a ballsy play with 66. What do I do now? [/ QUOTE ] fold?
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