50NL: What do you call with here?

[RapidEvolution]

You are a reg at 50NL and run TAG (12/6/3)
Villain is also a reg TAG (14/8/4) and tried to push you off of an overpair on a b/3bet turn bluff


$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG (<font color="#0000cc">$19.30</font>)
Villain (<font color="#0000cc">$50.00</font>)
MP1 (<font color="#0000cc">$108.00</font>)
MP2 (<font color="#0000cc">$40.30</font>)
Hero (<font color="#0000cc">$107.65</font>)
CO (<font color="#0000cc">$19.95</font>)
BTN (<font color="#0000cc">$50.25</font>)
SB (<font color="#0000cc">$94.70</font>)
BB (<font color="#0000cc">$50.00</font>)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 9 players) Hero is MP3 XX
<font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, Villain calls $0.5, <font color="#777777">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $0.5, <font color="#777777">2 folds</font>, SB calls $0.25, BB checks

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($2, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Villain bets $1.2</font>, Hero calls $1.2, <font color="#777777">SB folds</font>, <font color="#777777">BB folds</font>

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($4.4, 2 players)
Villain checks, Hero checks

River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($4.4, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Villain goes all-in $48.3</font>, Hero calls with...

[AlexB182]

JT, QhJh obv, J9 and J8 as well. Oh, and JJ, lol. 7h6h too.
Every J only hand or overpair is just not worth the risk half your stack in such a small, unraised pot.

[Berge20]

How big of donks are the other 200bb stacks at the table?

[RapidEvolution]

Pretty donkish, I'd say. What do you put villain on?

Alex, J only or T only?

[ship_it_trebek]

I'm nitty and folding KQ here too.

[AlexB182]

Sorry, T only of course...

[Jeff76]

I cannot think of a hand I could hold that I would limp behind with PF, call on the flop, check behind on the turn, and then call this river bet. Not at this level anyway.

[RapidEvolution]

$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG (<font color="#0000cc">$19.30</font>)
Hero (<font color="#0000cc">$50.00</font>)
MP1 (<font color="#0000cc">$108.00</font>)
MP2 (<font color="#0000cc">$40.30</font>)
MP3 (<font color="#0000cc">$107.65</font>)
CO (<font color="#0000cc">$19.95</font>)
BTN (<font color="#0000cc">$50.25</font>)
SB (<font color="#0000cc">$94.70</font>)
BB (<font color="#0000cc">$50.00</font>)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 9 players) Hero is UTG+1 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $0.5, <font color="#777777">2 folds</font>, MP3 calls $0.5, <font color="#777777">2 folds</font>, SB calls $0.25, BB checks

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($2, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $1.2</font>, MP3 calls $1.2, <font color="#777777">SB folds</font>, <font color="#777777">BB folds</font>

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($4.4, 2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks

River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($4.4, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero goes all-in $48.3</font>, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>

Final Pot: $4.40

Hero wins $52.5 ( won +$2.5 )
MP3 lost -$1.70
SB lost -$0.50
BB lost -$0.50


Given that a million and one draws came in on the river, I thought villain might call here with a straight or flush. If this is bad, how much should I be betting here?

[Berge20]

[ QUOTE ]
Pretty donkish, I'd say.

[/ QUOTE ]

Even though this was a trick post, I asked this question because sometimes it is important to consider other table conditions. Given that the other 200bb stacks are bad, I'd be less inclined to call off here than I otherwise would for fear of losing EV against the donks in a situation I could take 200bbs from them instead of 100.

This may not be the best example of that potential scenario, but something that came to mind.

[Jeff76]

[ QUOTE ]
If this is bad, how much should I be betting here?

[/ QUOTE ]I don't think this is bad. If villain has a hand that he'll call anything with, he will probably call a push. Problem is, a player with those stats is not going to show up very often here with anything he can call with. His turn check implies a weak made hand that he thinks can win in a showdown but wasn't worth protecting against the many draws that suddenly appeared.

The only hand that remotely makes sense to me that can call anything with here is 99.

I think you played the hand fine- just not much value to get against a reasonably tight player.