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11-26-2007, 03:15 PM
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Re: My Hall of Fame Ballot
Jack Morris
Don Mattingly Harold Baines Goose Gossage 
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11-26-2007, 03:33 PM
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Re: My Hall of Fame Ballot
Looking at Tim Raines' career stats, goddamn he was good. But he has no chance of actually getting in, right?
Blyleven Raines Trammell Gossage Mark [censored] McGwire
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11-26-2007, 03:41 PM
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Re: My Hall of Fame Ballot
Lee Smith is a guy who pitched pretty well for a very long time and accumulated a lot of saves. He didn't have many seasons where he was particularly dominating, like Eckersley and Rivera. He wasn't instrumental in the development of the closer role, like Sutter and Gossage. I think that Smith will be an interesting case for the HOF because he's the first player of his type to be eligible for the HOF but there's a handful of borderline players (Hoffman, Reardon, Wagner, Franco) that will be coming up in the next decade that are similar. Rivera is the only closer that I think is a shoe-in.
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#5
11-26-2007, 04:00 PM
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Re: My Hall of Fame Ballot
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Lee Smith is a guy who pitched pretty well for a very long time and accumulated a lot of saves. He didn't have many seasons where he was particularly dominating, like Eckersley and Rivera. He wasn't instrumental in the development of the closer role, like Sutter and Gossage. I think that Smith will be an interesting case for the HOF because he's the first player of his type to be eligible for the HOF but there's a handful of borderline players (Hoffman, Reardon, Wagner, Franco) that will be coming up in the next decade that are similar. Rivera is the only closer that I think is a shoe-in. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think any of them will get in - Hoffman perhaps. Public opinion of Lee Smith has turned, he's basically a forgotten man. Plus, the media thinks closers are super-important but don't think they belong in the HOF (lol consistency) sylar - don't you remember Lee Smith as a Yankee, or are you that young?
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11-26-2007, 05:13 PM
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Re: My Hall of Fame Ballot
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sylar - don't you remember Lee Smith as a Yankee, or are you that young? [/ QUOTE ] in 1993 i was busy throwing empty bottles at communists occupying this building. 
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#7
11-26-2007, 03:58 PM
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Re: My Hall of Fame Ballot
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Looking at Tim Raines' career stats, goddamn he was good. But he has no chance of actually getting in, right? [/ QUOTE ] I was under the impression that Tim Raines was a lock to make it.
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#8
11-26-2007, 04:01 PM
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Re: My Hall of Fame Ballot
If Tim Raines doesn't make it, burn the [censored] place down.
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#9
11-26-2007, 04:10 PM
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Re: My Hall of Fame Ballot
Jim Rice
Goose Gossage and that's it. No McGwire -- way too one-dimensional, when that dimension seems tainted. The most apt comparison is Dave Kingman, who certainly was no HOFer. Bert Blyleven is borderline -- he pitched for an awful lot of bad teams, and I suppose I probably end up voting for him. Trevor Hoffman and Mariano Rivera are the only current (or recently retired) closers that should even be in the discussion. Sheer # of saves is a pointless stat for HOF determination, imho, given the nature of a save today. Mattingly is nowhere near HOF numbers. Raines is really really close, but falls short.
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