AA UI on drawy river

Gurravasa · #1 09-10-2007, 09:41 AM

Villain is 54/10/0.5, notes: donks BP on flop, raise FD on turn, never bluffs, don't c/r TP on flop.

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Preflop: Gvasa is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Gvasa raises, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Gvasa bets, SB calls, BB folds, UTG folds.

Turn: (5 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Gvasa bets, SB raises, Gvasa calls.

River: (9 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Gvasa ?

strategery · #2 09-10-2007, 09:58 AM

I'd b/f. Q10 and Q8 are in his range, but so are a lot of kings. He doesn't look like the type of player to c/r the river, but if he does you have an easy fold and you get value out of a lot of hands.

Wolfram · #3 09-10-2007, 10:06 AM

I have a strong suspicion that villain was semi-bluffing you with a combo-draw, then hit and is trying to go all sexy on yo ass.

It might be horribly weak, but are we really ahead 66% on this river? If not, then check/behind (I can't bet/fold this). If he overplayed a lone King then we got enough value out of his turn raise (I know it doesn't really matter in our decision but psychologically it does. When I get aces I want my value dammit!)

danzasmack · #4 09-10-2007, 10:33 AM

If i'm not comfortable 3-betting the turn vs. this guy i can't imagine I'd be comfortable betting the river. You know he checks 2-pair right? check.

jba · #5 09-10-2007, 10:35 AM

"... raise FD on turn, never bluffs,"

hmmm?

i don't think the river matters much as long as you don't put in two bets.

Gurravasa · #6 09-10-2007, 10:52 AM

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"... raise FD on turn, never bluffs,"

hmmm?

i don't think the river matters much as long as you don't put in two bets.

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raising FD is a semibluff, when I take a note never bluffs, I mean pure bluffs...

bobhalford · #7 09-10-2007, 11:01 AM

If I don't bet this river, I'm overthinking it. The villain shouldn't be getting fancy here because his turn raise more often than not should scare you into checking behind on the river. So his river check means you win. If not, he's trying to sexy you or puts you firmly on a Q. I rarely see a river sexy here - it's only when the villain is tilting from hands played versus you that they try to humiliate you by making these kinds of plays. I had this fellow last night check a set of jacks oop on both the turn and river in a desperate attempt to checkraise me. Anyway, I think it's pretty rare to see a checkraise here on the river, since you could have a Q and he doesn't.

mute · #8 09-10-2007, 11:58 AM

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You know he checks 2-pair right? check.

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Gurravasa · #9 09-10-2007, 12:03 PM

In this sitauation I'm 99% sure he don't have straight or better. I think he'll check/call 2-pairs and probably TP and I'm pretty sure he'll check/fold everything else. So does he have 2-pair more often than TP here is really the question...

danzasmack · #10 09-10-2007, 12:05 PM

well he doens't c/r top pair on the flop? how about on the turn? I'd say no. When this guy c/r's me on the turn i usually assume he has a good hand or total [censored].

also you need him to have like K3-K8 which IMO are a lot less likely than a hand like K9+.