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#81
04-12-2007, 03:14 PM
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Re: Common No Limit Situation
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Raise? I think it is too easy to get outplayed in this spot to consider an Raise. Much of the time we are behind with little hope of improvement, [/ QUOTE ] Much of the time we are behind with little hope of improvement? I disagree, and I think this is the crux of the raise/fold disagreement. I gave my estimate of BB's hand range in an earlier post. Would any proponent for folding care to do the same? [ QUOTE ] Flat Call? Any attempt to see a cheap showdown will give oponents on a draw good price allowing them to play corectly while still giving us no information about the relative stregth of our hand. More tough decisions, especially if someoen overcalls. [/ QUOTE ] On this matter, I agree completely. [ QUOTE ] Fold? Yes. There are too many ways to outguess ourselves in thsi spot, and guessing inevitably leads to bad decisions taht cost us $$$. [/ QUOTE ] There are many ways to outguess ourselves no matter what we do. You can't just fold because you don't know what the right play is. 
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#82
04-12-2007, 05:20 PM
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Re: Common No Limit Situation
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You can't just fold because you don't know what the right play is. [/ QUOTE ] The reason for folding is that it's a classical reversed implied odds situation you can avoid cheaply. You may be ahead for several reasons, but -in my opinion- it's more likely that you are behind. And if so, there's little chance to make them lay down a better hand, even if you make a big raise here. And even if you're ahead, you might win a small pot, but there are really no hands that might pay you off here.
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#83
04-12-2007, 05:28 PM
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Re: Common No Limit Situation
I hate to rain on such a lively parade but surely the reason this has provoked so much debate is because IT'S VERY CLOSE (as I'm sure the cheeky Sklansky-monkey realises). Assuming you play the rest of the hand well I can't imagine it matters much which of the three options you choose. Base it on your mood, your table image, the rhythm of the recent play, etc. Of course if by calling you mentally commit yourself to putting more chips in further down the line then you're better off folding.
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#84
04-16-2007, 02:52 PM
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David, please give your answer
David,
You have kept us in suspense long enough. Can you please give us your answer.
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#85
04-16-2007, 10:35 PM
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Re: David, please give your answer
I like just calling here, to see what people do behind me id go for pot control and try to get to showdown for as cheap as possible.
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#87
04-17-2007, 12:32 PM
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Re: David, please give your answer
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Please share your thoughts on this hand. [/ QUOTE ] It depends!
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#88
04-17-2007, 03:09 PM
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Re: David, please give your answer
ok. ill try to give you guys a reference from DS's own work. off memory from theory of poker, the chapter called "Defending Against a semi-bluff" is similar to this... It describes a situation where you do not know where you stand. You could be behind or behead, but youre pretty sure your opponent could draw out on you if you were ahead at this time. Therefore your opponent has 3 ways to beat you: hes ahead already, he draws out on you, or a scare card comes and he bluffs you out.
To me (and hopefully DS) your play would depend on the player making this bet; however with little information i would say DS thinks you should fold. I came up with the same thing cause im a f-in genius too.
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#89
04-17-2007, 03:29 PM
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Re: David, please give your answer
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I came up with the same thing cause im a f-in genius too. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, me too and I claimed it all a long... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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