Party 22r Bubble situation very short

Longy · #1 03-13-2007, 04:03 PM

Hi two points about this hand.

Is this a good fold and what range are we calling button with.

Also any idea what happens if i call and the button scoops.

PartyPoker $22 Regular Tournament, Big Blind is t600 (4 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

CO (t2900)
Button (t16440)
Hero (t330)
BB (t330)

Preflop: Hero is in SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
CO folds, Button raises to t1800, Hero folds

Flop: (t2700) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: (t2700) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t2700) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

alex-star · #2 03-13-2007, 04:12 PM

I push here. You have to lose to both the big stack and the BB. If the BB doubles up, you're dead. If you double/triple up, you might be able to play for the 3rd.

Mingdu · #3 03-13-2007, 04:21 PM

No antes?

It depends who takes third

Well, you have 30 chippies to play with so you are all in next time the blind hits you

The big stack is pushing any two cards ...

I push this as it forces the BB to beat two hands and yours is decent enough for this situation.

If the BB takes third if you both lose then I fold

FeNeF · #4 03-13-2007, 04:23 PM

You split 3rd place if big stack takes both of you out, right?

Honestly, I don't know. Paging shillx...

ger664 · #5 03-13-2007, 04:26 PM

OT If hero calls what happens to the distrubution of the prize fund when button wins given both hero and BB are all-in and started the hand with t330 ??

OP this is a hard spot but I think I call and take my chance. If BB wins you have t30 left and unless some turns on your luckbox have 4th wrapped up.

Van Strummer · #6 03-13-2007, 04:30 PM

Wow, what a strange spot to be in. I am not sure about party's tie breaker rules, but I assume you will split 3rd if big stack wins. Lets look at the numbers:
Assuming button pushes top 60% here:

If you fold, button will win like 56% here, so assuming you are dead if he loses your equity will be:
0.56*0.2= 0.112

If you call you will win 39%, button will win 32.5% and BB 28.5% giving you an equity of:
0.24*0.39+0.1*0.325= 0.1261

However you will actually get 3rd sometimes even if you are only left with 30 chips when you fold. Here this has to happen more than 20% of the times for folding to be better. I don't think it will so you should call, but its pretty close.

Mingdu · #7 03-13-2007, 04:31 PM

Button is pushing 32o if that is what he has

Although ... kinda cruel to fold his AA here as well and let the little guys sort it out themselves

Van Strummer · #8 03-13-2007, 04:36 PM

Why would he push 32o if he thinks you are calling? 32o would clearly be -EV here?

Also I think its pretty funny I spent 10 minutes on a problem that probably comes up every 5000 SNGs and where the difference is probably less than 1% equity, when I should really use the time to study SNGPT.

Kevin8423 · #9 03-13-2007, 06:39 PM

I'm fairly certain that if hero and BB both lose the universe will implode, therefore prize distribution is irrelevant.

Shillx · #10 03-13-2007, 06:48 PM

What happens if the button wins? If you split it then calling is like 12.7% and folding is ~10%. If it counts for zero then it is close as long as the button has a random hand. Since the button might not then fold but you have to call if you chop the 20% when the button wins.