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2 Q9 hands
PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)
Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. UTG calls, MP calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero completes, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, UTG calls, MP calls, Hero calls. Flop: (8 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG folds, MP folds, Hero calls. Turn: (5 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls. River: (7 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, BB checks. Final Pot: 7 BB ------------- Do you guys like the donk? MPair OOP remains the hardest spot in HE. PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls. Flop: (8 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG folds, Button folds, SB calls. Turn: (5 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls. River: (7 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> SB checks, Hero checks. Final Pot: 7 BB |
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Re: 2 Q9 hands
hand 1. standard imo.
hand 2. flop i c/c. i think donking is a big mistake because your hand is very weak. the rest is fine. |
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Re: 2 Q9 hands
I'd muck Q9o in the SB (as in the first hand). is that bad?
-Fluffy_Shark |
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Re: 2 Q9 hands
you mean before or after you complete?
not completing with Q9o would be a mistake. folding after BB raises is ok if BB is passive pf. |
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Re: 2 Q9 hands
no I meant that I don't complete. I know that my equity is good but I am often dominated and have the worst position. I want to avoid situations like the one in hand 1 where you flop a pair but there are 2 overcards and you have no idea where you stand...
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Re: 2 Q9 hands
in hand 1 there's only one overcard. you shouldn't be afraid of these situations. Q9o is a decent holding with straight possibilities, definitely worth completing.
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Re: 2 Q9 hands
[ QUOTE ]
I'd muck Q9o in the SB (as in the first hand). is that bad? -Fluffy_Shark [/ QUOTE ] Coming from fullring, it used to be an auto-muck for me, but after spending some time here, I routinely see hands where posters call with hands as low J8off. Check out my hand "vs 2+2er". He called with 97off in the SB after I raised. |
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Re: 2 Q9 hands
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hand 1. standard imo. hand 2. flop i c/c. i think donking is a big mistake because your hand is very weak. the rest is fine. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, I don't really like my donk. My reasoning was that the raiser could have JJ-66 or something like KJ, KTs. So I bet out to determine where I was at. |
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Re: 2 Q9 hands
sure, I'd complete and call the raise with 97o without thinking about it but I'd still muck Q9o. Is that stupid? maybe but I don't want to spike a queen and get owned. I think RIOs are huge...
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Re: 2 Q9 hands
I'm still learning 6max, so I'm not completely sure if it's "correct" to call a raise with Q9o.
Looking back, it was probably a mistake in this instance given that the raise came from the BB. You're right, it's a RIO nightmare. It's impossible to play effectively after the flop OOP. When you flop a middle pair and are staring at 3 other players, how on earth can you figure out the best line? It's not as easy a decision as is in full ring, where a middle pair is usually dead multiway. Middle pair surprisingly holds up well in these games. I can't tell you how many times I've called a raise with something like QJs, the flop comes AJx. I peel and brick, then fold. A calling station looks the raiser up and takes it down with 9J against the raiser's 77. I know I'm being a little results oriented, but I've seen some marginal hands take it down in raised pots. Obviously, you need to have a stone solid read on your opponent to play these hands profitably. If he's the type to brick off with middle pockets on a board that has an A or paint, you could look up him. |
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