[$33] Middle Set am Flop - Dangerous Board + Action

[Niggel]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t40 (10 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

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MP3 (t2000)
CO (t2000)
<font color="#C00000">Button (t2360)</font>
SB (t1960)
BB (t2000)
UTG (t1680)
UTG+1 (t2000)
UTG+2 (t2000)
<font color="#C00000">Hero (t2000)</font>
<font color="#C00000">MP2 (t2000)</font>

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls t40, MP2 calls t40, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t200</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls t160, MP2 calls t160.

Flop: (t660) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t400</font>, MP2 raises [t1800] , Button raises [t2160] , Hero <u>???</u>

The button is a solid TAG besides that no further reads.

I'd guess Check/Call PF is okay. If not please comment!

I don't like Slowplaying on such a board so i just lead out to get value and see if I am behind. Both Villians put all their chips in ... What do I do?

[greggg230]

push - the only hand you really hate seeing here is JJ. Against a straight, you have 7 outs on the turn and 10 outs on the river = 35% chance to catch a boat / quads. You're getting odds even if you know one or both has a straight.

You're going to see JT, QQ, KK, AA, 99, AJ here often enough to make this a pretty easy push.

And you do obviously have to lead out on a flop like that.

(PS. I had JJ on the same board earlier and lost all my chips. My sympathies. :P)

[Scotty_12]

If villian is a 'solid tag' then I muck TT preflop

[empyrium]

i'd fold pf here

[normalcy]

i was thinking the same thing that gregg wrote, exactly.

but my question is... after 3 folds pre-flop, why are you not raising with your TT? i am just wondering.. would most people advocate raising here or just limping like OP?

if you raise, and the TAG then comes over top, then you can narrow the range quite a bit. i don't know... just learning. i appreciate your thoughts.

[empyrium]

i think raising or limping both is ok here, but if you limp you should fold to a big raise. i dont like to play big pots with TT at an early blind lvl.

[Niggel]

WOW...
This is really a good help for me.
JJ and TT are borderline hands for me so I Openraise from MP2 with JJ and from MP3/CO with TT.
Usually with a pair which is not QQ+ you are playing for set value and the rule of thumb which I've heard more than once is: You should call with a PP if your stack is 10-15 times the raise or 10-15 X the BB (please comment on this one because i've heard this rule as well with 20-25 times the initial raise). We are OOP and just habe 10 times the Raise so I think a fold is definitely fine here, but for me as a Donk TT just looks stronger than 22. I just give me a little more than just set value.

Thanks so far and keep the good stuff coming [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[DMACM]

looks to me like a very easy call.

[mortimo]

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WOW...
This is really a good help for me.
JJ and TT are borderline hands for me so I Openraise from MP2 with JJ and from MP3/CO with TT.
Usually with a pair which is not QQ+ you are playing for set value and the rule of thumb which I've heard more than once is: You should call with a PP if your stack is 10-15 times the raise or 10-15 X the BB (please comment on this one because i've heard this rule as well with 20-25 times the initial raise). We are OOP and just habe 10 times the Raise so I think a fold is definitely fine here, but for me as a Donk TT just looks stronger than 22. I just give me a little more than just set value.

Thanks so far and keep the good stuff coming [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Fold preflop

We must take in account that we sometimes lose when we hit on the flop, + they must call/go all-in every time to make this profitable..12x-15x should be good, but I`m not an expert