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Old 11-18-2007, 02:54 PM
MitchL MitchL is offline
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Default Re: Head up vs good player

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I don't think he finds a turn fold here. If he's descent then he has to have a big hand.

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no he doesn't, he just needs to have a jack. if he is at all descent, Mitch's hand looks EXACTLY like AK. that is why this play can work here.

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If I am the villain in this hand I would have a hard time putting Mitch on a hand, and when I have a hard time putting someone on a hand that beats me, I call down.

If I am Mitch in this hand, and I do indeed have AK, I am not raising the turn. If I view the villain as a good player, AND he views me as a good player I think raising the turn when you hit your king has two consequences:
1. he folds a worse hand
2. he 3 bets you
Both scenarios suck.

That is why I don't think this bluff will work. Against a mediocre player.......sure, good spot to bluff. Against a good player, hard to get away with stuff like this.

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You would probably consider him mediocre, which is really good in my game.
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Old 11-18-2007, 03:06 PM
PokerBob PokerBob is offline
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Default Re: Head up vs good player

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I don't think he finds a turn fold here. If he's descent then he has to have a big hand.

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no he doesn't, he just needs to have a jack. if he is at all descent, Mitch's hand looks EXACTLY like AK. that is why this play can work here.

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If I am the villain in this hand I would have a hard time putting Mitch on a hand, and when I have a hard time putting someone on a hand that beats me, I call down.

If I am Mitch in this hand, and I do indeed have AK, I am not raising the turn. If I view the villain as a good player, AND he views me as a good player I think raising the turn when you hit your king has two consequences:
1. he folds a worse hand
2. he 3 bets you
Both scenarios suck.

That is why I don't think this bluff will work. Against a mediocre player.......sure, good spot to bluff. Against a good player, hard to get away with stuff like this.

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if you are villain, what hands are you betting the turn with?
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Old 11-18-2007, 03:30 PM
MitchL MitchL is offline
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Default Re: Head up vs good player

With fd on board I am always raising turn w/ AK I think.
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