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Old 12-01-2007, 09:39 PM
Ryba Ryba is offline
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Default 30 NL - 6max - Deep AKs, value push?

I'm playing I'm playing 24/17/2, villain is a lag 32/20/2. Push this river or check/call check/fold? My thinking was he should be raises all sets on the flop and betting a flush on turn since the pot is so big now. So I don't think he has that good of a hand maybe a J or a medium pair. I dunno if he calls a push with them thou.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.15/$0.30 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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BB: $71.40
UTG: $126.85
CO: $81
BTN: $64.40
Hero (SB): $72.85

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $3</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $12.90</font>, BB calls $9.90

Flop: ($25.80) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $16.80</font>, BB calls $16.80

Turn: ($59.40) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, BB checks

River: ($59.40) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero ?
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Old 12-01-2007, 09:48 PM
Harry Fong Harry Fong is offline
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Default Re: 30 NL - 6max - Deep AKs, value push?

I doubt that the K on the river has helped you more times than not.

Flush or a set is what I think you are up against and the turn sealed it for him. Villians check behind you on the turn could be an attempt to give you a card to improve.
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Old 12-01-2007, 10:05 PM
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Default Re: 30 NL - 6max - Deep AKs, value push?

I really doubt you're up against a set or a flush here; aforementioned villain is most likely shoving a flush draw on flop/ raising sets, like you said. It's possible he has KJ. I might go for a smaller value bet though, seems like 1/2 to 2/3 pot gets called by an underpair or a jack more often than shove? A shove seems like a pretty obvious AK.
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Old 12-01-2007, 10:06 PM
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Default Re: 30 NL - 6max - Deep AKs, value push?

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I doubt that the K on the river has helped you more times than not.

Flush or a set is what I think you are up against and the turn sealed it for him. Villians check behind you on the turn could be an attempt to give you a card to improve.

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just check call/fold depending if he bets and wot size it is if your not sure. i dont think villains check is to give you a free card. Most VIllains aren't very smart and dont think like that, they shut down when they get an awkward card and considering u checked first he may think your trying to trap him. but that said your probably beat anyway. wot calls that raise preflop but HIGH PP?
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Old 12-01-2007, 10:08 PM
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Default Re: 30 NL - 6max - Deep AKs, value push?

Deepstacked bvb where he has position his range is much, much wider than a high pp, especially w/ his stats
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Old 12-02-2007, 12:00 AM
Reefypoopoo Reefypoopoo is offline
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Default Re: 30 NL - 6max - Deep AKs, value push?

c/c or c/f
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Old 12-02-2007, 12:15 AM
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Default Re: 30 NL - 6max - Deep AKs, value push?

well i think we're ahead now and he's aggro, so i think a c/c is best.
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Old 12-02-2007, 12:18 AM
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Default Re: 30 NL - 6max - Deep AKs, value push?

A check/call is the worst play here, because he called the flop and the only draw hit. His entire range has showdown value, and he's definitely not vbetting a J or anything like that.

C/F is ok, and so is betting. Depends on how often you think he folds his worse hands (I think you are ahead of his range, but not necessarily his calling range).
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Old 12-02-2007, 01:04 AM
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Default Re: 30 NL - 6max - Deep AKs, value push?

c/c is good if he is capable of calling PF with hands like 98, T9, 54. Is this a bit of a stretch?
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Old 12-02-2007, 01:53 AM
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Default Re: 30 NL - 6max - Deep AKs, value push?

I think this is c/c.I try 2 explain
When he called pf ill put hem on 55+,A/10+
any broadway and SSC,plus 10/9s
When he called flop ill put hem on 10's+,
J/10+,SD+Flush draw,plus A/Q+

When you checked turn,you giving he think you afraid of flush

To make it shorter,you need 2 give hem opportunity 2 bluff hes J/10+,A/Q+ hands

i did little calculations,and when he bluff even only 20% of the time there you have +ev 2 call hes allin
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