Unorthodox

Schneids · #1 10-09-2007, 01:14 AM

Valesco and AleHan are both solid, decently aggressive regulars who are capable hand readers. At the time of the hand, I don't have much of a read formed on naeyeou yet. Before you all tell me you hate it, at least sit on it for two minutes.

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Seat 1: Zak0707 ($5339)
Seat 3: valesco ($6216) -

Seat 4: naeyeou ($6030) -

Seat 5: PapaWarbucks ($10048) -

Seat 6: AleHan ($13994)

PRE-FLOP:

naeyeou posts small blind $50
PapaWarbucks posts BIG blind $100
Dealt To: PapaWarbucks

RAISE AleHan($200)
FOLD Zak0707
RAISE valesco($300)
CALL naeyeou($250)
CALL PapaWarbucks($200)
CALL AleHan($100)

FLOP:

Pot: $1200

CHECK naeyeou
BET PapaWarbucks($100)
CALL AleHan($100)
CALL valesco($100)
RAISE naeyeou($200)
RAISE PapaWarbucks($300)
CALL AleHan($200)
FOLD valesco
CALL naeyeou($100)

TURN:

Pot: $2300

CHECK naeyeou
BET PapaWarbucks($200)

HOWMANY · #2 10-09-2007, 01:29 AM

This CR hand converter is just awful.

Naeyeou's hand I guess is a flush draw? When someone unknown calls 2 cold I assume 77-99 with 66/TT possible but that would be a really weird c/r of the field here. Alehan might have a flush draw but I'd assume he has overs with one club. I'd assume AQ/AK are more likely than smaller ones because the smaller ones I think he is more likely to raise to clean up outs. Any pair from him seems super unlikely.

To the two good players your hand could be a flush draw or pocket pair. They both have overcards to be sure so it looks like you are trying to shove them out of the pot that is rapidly increasing in size or building big pot for gambol. However I think if you were going to do this sort of thing it would have been better to call the c/r then raise nonclub turn as your hand will still look about the same but it stops you from walking into a [censored] storm.

If called in both places on the turn I think you need to turn your hand into a "bluff" in case naeyeou caught some sort of pair to go with his flush draw on the turn or river and to prevent AleHan from winning/chopping with AK/AQ. They might call with those hands but the pot is huge so it's worth a shot I'd think.

I would have just c/c the flop for one bet though because I play bad. I've tried this sort of thing quite a few times and I can't recall it ever ending well.

vincevegas · #3 10-09-2007, 01:53 AM

I like it ok, I think you give yourself a chance to isolate what could be a flush draw. The negative is you dont give 88-JJ a chance to really lay down.

What I think could work better is to call and let a card roll off 4 handed and raise the turn, giving you a chance to get a pr or AK behind you to fold and isolate what could be AJs or KQs. If a card comes off you dont like or dont want to represent then you can just abandon ship and save the bets.

Crusher19 · #4 10-09-2007, 02:06 AM

i actually like it. the sb in the hand most likely has a flush draw or an abslolute monster, nothing in between that. when you get someone to call 2 cold though i think i would be done with it, just too hard fire turn and river with 2 players in a pot like this where someone is getting to that showdown. i like this line alot just think the cold call would make me put on the brakes.

hoppscot22 · #5 10-09-2007, 02:06 AM

you are checking behind all non A/Q rivers?... i like

Michael Davis · #6 10-09-2007, 02:33 AM

IMO he hast to bet the river for this to work.

-Michael

hoppscot22 · #7 10-09-2007, 02:47 AM

villain cant ever be folding a hand that beats us on the river...

vmacosta · #8 10-09-2007, 08:03 AM

wtf, if i posted this i bet all you guys would have been like nice hand, spewfish.

hoppscot22 · #9 10-09-2007, 08:18 AM

i think its fine, but i also think the play only really works well if alehan folds the turn behind you... dont really want to have to deal with someone behind you on the river. what other line are we gonna take.

c/c. c/c. c/f unimproved?

if its two bets to us on the flop just c/f?

danzasmack · #10 10-09-2007, 10:27 AM

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This CR hand converter is just awful.

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fwiw i see no cards at all in this post