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Old 07-14-2007, 06:09 AM
mj2 mj2 is offline
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Default 10/20 ftp. how not to play ak deep stacked.

i'm pretty sure i misplayed this on almost every street.

how should it be played? thanks.

villian is solid regular. 24/15.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $10/$20 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $2,861.00
Hero (BB): $3,429.00
UTG: $2,017.00
CO: $598.50
BTN: $4,037.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $60.00</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $190.00</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $600.00</font>, Hero calls $410.00

Flop: ($1210) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($1210) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $1,210.00</font>, Hero calls $1,210.00

River: ($3630) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets all-in for $2,227.00</font>, Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $2,227.00 returned to BTN

Pot Size: $3,630.00 ($3 Rake)
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Old 07-14-2007, 06:29 AM
nevereverwin nevereverwin is offline
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Default Re: 10/20 ftp. how not to play ak deep stacked.

Ia m small stakes player, but I can see folding in 2 palces:

1 st when BTN repops you to 600$ pre (I would fold here)
2 nd On turn when he bets out pot (bcoz you cant really beat anything except air and he will push river regardless and that is really terrible spot to be in)

but if money is that deep I insta fold pre when BTN repops to 600$.
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Old 07-14-2007, 12:07 PM
RiverHebrew2 RiverHebrew2 is offline
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Default Re: 10/20 ftp. how not to play ak deep stacked.

I'd actually fold to preflop 4bet. c/c turn is ok. Riv fold is good. Preflop and getting involved in the hand in the first place is the mistake, but postflop is ok.
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Old 07-14-2007, 03:59 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 ftp. how not to play ak deep stacked.

Does anybody like leading the turn for $1000 or so?
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Old 07-15-2007, 03:58 AM
ShipitFMA ShipitFMA is offline
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Default Re: 10/20 ftp. how not to play ak deep stacked.

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Ia m small stakes player, but I can see folding in 2 palces:

1 st when BTN repops you to 600$ pre (I would fold here)
2 nd On turn when he bets out pot (bcoz you cant really beat anything except air and he will push river regardless and that is really terrible spot to be in)

but if money is that deep I insta fold pre when BTN repops to 600$.

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You do know that people have been known to 4bet light, esp when it looks like hero is just trying to resteal.

This is a pretty ugly spot though, especially OOP, i honestly have no idea what to do here, but i would probably play it the exact same way you did...

B/F turn maybe?
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Old 07-15-2007, 04:59 AM
homeboy604 homeboy604 is offline
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Default Re: 10/20 ftp. how not to play ak deep stacked.

what is your image?
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Old 07-15-2007, 05:01 AM
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Default Re: 10/20 ftp. how not to play ak deep stacked.

Unfortunately, I don't think I have a problem with the hand.
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Old 07-15-2007, 07:17 AM
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Default Re: 10/20 ftp. how not to play ak deep stacked.

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Does anybody like leading the turn for $1000 or so?

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I like leading the turn.
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Old 07-15-2007, 07:46 AM
Chaoslord Chaoslord is offline
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Default Re: 10/20 ftp. how not to play ak deep stacked.

i think if you want to play this hand you have to shove over his 4-bet preflop. otherwise just fold
if this is a good play or not depends on the villian and dynamic (is he able to fold QQ here, do you 3-bet a lot, does he 4-bet air sometimes etc).
calling oop is a big mistake imo because even if you hit a pair you can never be that confident about your hand.
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Old 07-15-2007, 08:54 AM
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Default Re: 10/20 ftp. how not to play ak deep stacked.

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i think if you want to play this hand you have to shove over his 4-bet preflop. otherwise just fold

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It's a 6 max blind steal spot so his 4 bet can be a re-steal. Starting stacks are 170 BB's for hero and 200 BB's for villain. Hero is even at best and most likely 65-35 if villain calls AI pf. Why stack off in that spot?

I think folding is the play.
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