so i have this big pair -- nl cash

whaahhahahah · #1 08-31-2007, 05:58 PM

situation came up twice in one session -- once versus an unknown who had only called one reraise (he folded the flop) and once versus a player i had history with but has not seen me do this

pretty much same stack sizes/types of flops. anyway . . .

3/6 no limit
600 stacks

i have black kk. he raises to 18. i reraise to 60. he calls.

flop (120)
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i shove for 540.

do you like this more versus an unknown or versus a player who you've played for awhile but hasn't see you do this? or on the other hand . . .

do you hate this more versus an unknown or versus a player who you've played for awhile but hasn't see you do this?

creedofhubris · #2 08-31-2007, 06:19 PM

I like it better with a board where you might plausibly have ace high (three wheel cards on board)

jakeduke · #3 08-31-2007, 06:50 PM

I'm not sure who I'd like this more against, but I do have a question - what's the reasoning behind this move? To get called light? To keep mediocre draws from calling/shoving over a cbet?

whaahhahahah · #4 08-31-2007, 07:38 PM

i think JTx boards might be better than three broadways for repping a bluff (ak/aq might want to do this)

Nichomacheo · #5 08-31-2007, 07:48 PM

Won't a regular see the transparency of this? Do you ever do this with a draw?

creedofhubris · #6 08-31-2007, 10:02 PM

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i think JTx boards might be better than three broadways for repping a bluff (ak/aq might want to do this)

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three wheel cards != three broadways... agreed that JTx also works though

jay_shark · #7 08-31-2007, 10:16 PM

Shoving is not bad because it's probable that jacks or queens would call you .

I still prefer making a pot size bet though .

IronFly · #8 09-01-2007, 01:17 AM

I think its fine to do OCCASIONALLY. Say 10% of the time. Would you ever play AK this way?

whaahhahahah · #9 09-01-2007, 07:30 AM

oops read that too quickly -- that one works well too.

my thinking on the hand in general was that if i bet say 100 i'm going to have a 320 pot with 440 behind. i have very few safe cards -- k, 5, 4, 3, 2 -- though some of the others aren't quite so bad.

fwiw, i think people completely underestimating the range an aggro player gets looked up here. i think he's actually calling a shove with a decent portion of his range that calls a c-bet

Jiganti · #10 09-02-2007, 02:15 AM

I like whaahhahahah's thinking and I am extremely (almost insanely) aggressive. If it's someone I play a lot I may do this occasionally but I would rather do it against an unknown. My reasoning behind this is that if they realize I am so aggressive, this often looks like air with a draw or something. (obviously, the kind of hand you represent by making this bet)

Against someone I've played more than a few hands with I don't do this as much because they are familiar with my aggressive style and it seems a bit out of character. I might toy around with it and try to see what kind of reaction I get but I really like your thinking. Out of the box type thinking really separates the pack in heads up in my opinion.