Pokerstars vs. Tournament Results Tracking Sites

[JimmytheHat19]

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/art...t-ranking-sites

Is anyone else outraged by this? I just read this story on cardplayer.com earlier and I am very upset about it. It looks like Pokerstars is going to try and force the tourney tracking sites (sharkscope, officialpokerrankings) to STOP posting the financial info (ROI, total profit/loss) of players if they choose to opt out.

It looks like the the big uproar is over the "privacy" issue of players financial info. Thats a complete load of crap. Tournament results are a matter of public record. Let me say that again: TOURNAMENT RESULTS ARE A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD. If losing players are too sensitive about being looked up and told how donkish they are then maybe they shouldn't be playing poker online in the first place. I realize this isn't a good statement to make for winning players, but its the truth. The internet is about THE FREE EXCHANGE OF INFORMATION and the fact is that tournament results are a matter of PUBLIC RECORD. Once these tracking sites gather the data, they obv sort through it and rank players and assign ROIs, etc. Its NOT a privacy issue... its just the simple facts.

To me, this really boils down to the fact that Pokerstars feels they are losing players because they are upset at being called donkeys. This in turn causes pokerstars to lose out on precious rake. Its all about the money baby. I guess the rich don't feel like they are rich enough.

I also don't see how/why the tracking sites would even begin to comply with Pstars "new policy". I mean, they dont REALLY have to, do they? There is no affiliation between them. It seems to me that the ONLY way Pstars can prevent tournament results from being tracked is if they don't display ANY tourney results whatsoever. Hell, I could write a program that imports, tracks, and sorts through tourney data and ranks players and profit/loss pretty easily. How would they stop me from doing that? Again, my whole big point here is that tournament results are a matter of public record and I just don't think that a few sensitive, upset little fishies and one giant poker site can do ANYTHING to stop the flow of free information online. The whole concept is as ludacris to me as the gov't trying to tell us we can't/shouldn't play poker online.

[resboard]

i'm no lawyer but i'm pretty sure there is nothing they can do. On a side note the owners of the site can change ROI to PPP (means nothing) and have the number there and everyone can know what it actually refers too. Its pretty simple.

How many good tournament players really use sites like this as an advantage?

[tagtastic]

The gov't doesn't run these tournies. Public record has absolutely nothing to do with it. PokerStars runs private tournies on their own site and can limit the information about the results of these tournies as they see fit imo. Especially in this case, where they're simply giving players the option to opt-out.

If you don't like it, express your concerns to them and go play on a different site. They run a business, not a democracy. But if enough people get mad about this (to the point where they're losing business), they will change it back. I really doubt that will happen though.

[Enervate]

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The gov't doesn't run these tournies. Public record has absolutely nothing to do with it. PokerStars runs private tournies on their own site and can limit the information about the results of these tournies as they see fit imo. Especially in this case, where they're simply giving players the option to opt-out.

If you don't like it, express your concerns to them and go play on a different site. They run a business, not a democracy. But if enough people get mad about this (to the point where they're losing business), they will change it back. I really doubt that will happen though.

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End this thread here.

[wisehandpoker]

There was a time in poker when people kept their cards close to the chest and refused to give up an iota of information about how they played. Players would hide their hands from the cameras and tournament results beyond the cashes weren't even recorded so as to protect the privacy of the players, many of whmo likely wouldn't have consented to play in the first place if that info was going to be given out.

I like to call that time 2003.

[Jooka]

you need to learn what the words public record really mean.

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The internet is about THE FREE EXCHANGE OF PORN

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FYP

[RikaKazak]

lol, it's up to stars, not the sites.

Now the sites can say, FU stars, and try to do it anyways, but I'm betting stars will find ways to "stop them" if they really want to. After all stars is a HUGE company, and has the money to fight the small guys like sharkscope if they so choose.

I agree with stars. I hope they do stop the "public knowing" of how much players win or lose.

Personally I hate having my winrate or lossrate so easily available.

[automat]

the reasoning behind this move can be found here:

http://www.biggerdeal.com/2007/06/26...-online-poker/

its perfectly ok to me. and its in your own best interest - in case you´re a winning player. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[GaryTheGoat]

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the reasoning behind this move can be found here:

http://www.biggerdeal.com/2007/06/26...-online-poker/

its perfectly ok to me. and its in your own best interest - in case you´re a winning player. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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especially so if you happen to be a superuser account winning player.

Edit: and they should Absolutely disallow datamining observed hands for
Lori:
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"...Pokertracker, a tool that pro players use to check for collusion...using river aggression, a statistic that effectively tells us how well our opponents are reading our play..."


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