I fold top pair on turn

Oink · #1 08-09-2007, 05:04 PM

Reads.

SB is 28/18 after 250 hands. No real reads so datamined hands
BB is 35/17 after 400 hands. No real reads here either.

Is folding completely standard or should I consider 3-betting to knock out SB?

Party Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $5/$10
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) hero is CO with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, hero raises, Button folds, SB 3-bets, BB calls, hero calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (9SB, 3 players)
SB bets, BB calls, hero calls.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6BB, 3 players)
SB bets, BB raises, hero folds...

sethypooh21 · #2 08-09-2007, 05:15 PM

ugh, but probably fold.

Also, not a huge fan of the flop peel.

NinaWilliams · #3 08-09-2007, 05:16 PM

Seems like a standard fold. Also, wtf @ the flop peel?

blackasthma · #4 08-09-2007, 05:23 PM

fold the flop. you're steal attempt backfired and you've got no draws...

Oink · #5 08-09-2007, 05:31 PM

You guys fold way too much, but that should be in another thread.

Board: 3s 9c 8s

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.900% 39.19% 01.71% 4991083 217219.33 { 55+, A7s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KJo+ }
Hand 1: 48.769% 47.04% 01.73% 5990551 219705.33 { 77+, ATs+, KJs+, QJs, JTs, AJo+, KQo }
Hand 2: 10.331% 10.06% 00.27% 1280723 34824.33 { Qh7h }

Folding in position getting a free river with ok probability is not an option for me.

Please to be commenting on turn fold [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

mvoss · #6 08-09-2007, 05:32 PM

Good fold. Also Oink, I know you don't like to fold flops but you have to draw the line somewhere.... Seriously, what are you hoping to hit on the turn here?

mvoss · #7 08-09-2007, 05:36 PM

I really don't give a [censored] about your stoved equity here, your hand sucks and even if you do hit a "good" card on the turn you'll have to dodge a ton of cards on the river. Not folding here has to be a leak [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

NinaWilliams · #8 08-09-2007, 05:42 PM

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You guys fold way too much, but that should be in another thread.

Board: 3s 9c 8s

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.900% 39.19% 01.71% 4991083 217219.33 { 55+, A7s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KJo+ }
Hand 1: 48.769% 47.04% 01.73% 5990551 219705.33 { 77+, ATs+, KJs+, QJs, JTs, AJo+, KQo }
Hand 2: 10.331% 10.06% 00.27% 1280723 34824.33 { Qh7h }

Folding in position getting a free river with ok probability is not an option for me.

Please to be commenting on turn fold [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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After shoving your equity, I dont see how you can possibly think this is a peel. Youre a 9-1 dog getting a little over 9-1 on your money, but thats only if you always see the river which you wont a lot of the time and your RIO are horrendous.

yourface · #9 08-09-2007, 05:51 PM

flop peel is bad on this board. serious RIO here. all of your pair outs are tainted and/or set up redraws

TheHip41 · #10 08-09-2007, 05:52 PM

for future reference, if you are peeling the flop with no pair and no draw and 1 over, when you actually hit your over, and you still have to fold, that means you should have probably folded the flop.

i don't care what calculations you send at me, that's the worst flop call I've seen in awhile.

turn fold looks ok.