Two Plus Two Newer Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Newer Archives > Two Plus Two > Special Sklansky Forum

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 04-13-2007, 07:05 PM
HelixTrix HelixTrix is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: i ain\'t got my taco
Posts: 82
Default David, do you advocate exploitive strategies?

David,

I posted this in the MoP thread, but I guess you won't see it as the thread looks like it died a few months ago.

I've just finished working through the Mathematics of Poker, then I reread my notes from No Limit Holdem, Theory and Practice. Through my new 'game theory eyes', most of the recommendations seem to be exploitive! I find this quite surprising given my impression of your approach to the game. For example, your 'Basic Skills':

1. Manipulating the pot size.
2. Adjusting correctly to stack sizes.
3. Winning the battle of mistakes.
4. Reading hands.
5. Manipulating opponents into playing badly.

3. and 5. are clearly exploitive. 1. is somewhat arguable but in most of the contexts that you apply it (raising different amounts preflop, making blocking bets, etc.) is exploitive as well. I realise that by 4. what you really mean is 'reading ranges of hands' but even then, the pure game theory approach focuses on reading your OWN range. From MoP p. 374, 'From a game theoretic view, the distribution of hands your opponent holds is irrelevant. If he can exploit you by playing a different set of hands than you were expecting, then your play is suboptimal.'

Would it be fair to condense your advice to the following:

Figure out a near-optimal strategy away from the table; at the table always first look for a way to exploit; if you find none, fall back on your predefined strategy.

Also would you comment on the suggestion that due to reduced sensory input and higher player turnover, playing online one should favour near-optimal play over exploitive play more of the time.

Thanks,

Helix
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 04-13-2007, 08:19 PM
fraac fraac is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 752
Default Re: David, do you advocate exploitive strategies?

I think MoP caused David to comment recently that his advice would be less useful at higher levels because it was exploitative.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 04-14-2007, 02:58 AM
David Sklansky David Sklansky is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 5,092
Default Re: David, do you advocate exploitive strategies?

yes
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 04-14-2007, 07:44 AM
HelixTrix HelixTrix is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: i ain\'t got my taco
Posts: 82
Default Re: David, do you advocate exploitive strategies?

Is that yes to the questions in the post? Or just the thread title? Or all of the above? Sorry, your verbosity has overwhelmed me.
[img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 04-14-2007, 10:32 AM
David Sklansky David Sklansky is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 5,092
Default Re: David, do you advocate exploitive strategies?

The real money in poker comes from exploiting weaker players.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 04-14-2007, 06:01 PM
George Rice George Rice is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Staten Island, NY
Posts: 862
Default Re: David, do you advocate exploitive strategies?

[ QUOTE ]
The real money in poker comes from exploiting weaker players.

[/ QUOTE ]

Why would anyone think otherwise?

Poker is about seperating the other guy from his money (A fact that is conviently left out by advocates who want it legal in as many places as possible (including me).). The weaker they are the easier it is to do. I only feel bad about it if the other person loses money he shouldn't be gambling. That feeling passes.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 04-20-2007, 04:30 PM
iversonian iversonian is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 367
Default Re: David, do you advocate exploitive strategies?

He meant playing a non-optimal-under-general-conditions strategy as opposed to an optimal-under-general-conditions strategy, which is certainly not obvious on its face.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:20 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions Inc.