what really happened with king of drafts

[rothko]

taken too far?

[Ansky]

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samo,

Screem shots of the 10-12?

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(a) the fact that the posters sent me private messages clearly shows that they do not want this publicized, and I will respect their privacy

(b) this is completely immaterial and irrelevant to the matter at hand

(c) I admit that in my haste (and without actually counting), I overstated the number (10-12). There were 8 posters that pm'd me saying something to the effect that they believe Crablar to be scum.

finally, I am starting to get sucked into this discussion and flame-fest again - which is something that I am determined not to do.

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Fair enough.

Perhaps anyone who PMd samo would like to come out and say why they think kod is scum aside from this thread?

[samoleus]

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Also,

while I do not have my own hand histories, Crablar himself sent me this - from which you can draw your conclusions about what happened prior:

POKERSTARS GAME #10563563178: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($10/$20) - 2007/06/22 - 13:48:14 (ET)
Table 'Celbalrai II' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 4: CrAbLaR ($2721.50 in chips)
Seat 5: punketty ($4426.80 in chips)
punketty: posts small blind $10
CrAbLaR: posts big blind $20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to CrAbLaR [Kd Ah]
punketty: raises $45 to $65
CrAbLaR said, "nah im not gonn aplay"
CrAbLaR: raises $177 to $242
punketty said, "then why did you post and play two hands?"
punketty said, "wtf man - show some class"
punketty: folds
CrAbLaR collected $130 from pot
CrAbLaR is sitting out
CrAbLaR: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $130 | Rake $0
Seat 4: CrAbLaR (big blind) collected ($130)
Seat 5: punketty (button) (small blind) folded before Flop

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Doesnt seem from that that hh that he had agreed prior to give back his BB. Actually that seems pretty unlikely.


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Yeah, from the HH it looks like KoD actually thought you were going to start legitimately playing HU.

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As I recollect the exact conversation we had, I am more and more convinced that this hh has been doctored in some way. The most damning piece of evidence is that I am 100% sure that in the hands I was talking about, animal and vaga lion were at the table.

animal, vaga, if either of you posts on twoplustwo, would you please verify?

[PartyGirlUK]

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samo,

Screem shots of the 10-12?

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(a) the fact that the posters sent me private messages clearly shows that they do not want this publicized, and I will respect their privacy

(b) this is completely immaterial and irrelevant to the matter at hand

(c) I admit that in my haste (and without actually counting), I overstated the number (10-12). There were 8 posters that pm'd me saying something to the effect that they believe Crablar to be scum.

finally, I am starting to get sucked into this discussion and flame-fest again - which is something that I am determined not to do.

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How about you let Mat Sklansky or someone else access your pms and there are 8 people saying they have found KOD to be a scumbag (or equivalent word) in their interactions with him I ship $2k to the charity of your choice (perhaps the one you claimed you gave $2mil to but I could find no evidence of actually exisiting).

[Ansky]

Samo,

You can take the HH#, and request that stars send you your copy. It won't take very long, they have the fastest support on the internet.

Actually, just do it from the lobby, under requests> hand history> hand #

[PartyGirlUK]

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Also,

while I do not have my own hand histories, Crablar himself sent me this - from which you can draw your conclusions about what happened prior:

POKERSTARS GAME #10563563178: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($10/$20) - 2007/06/22 - 13:48:14 (ET)
Table 'Celbalrai II' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 4: CrAbLaR ($2721.50 in chips)
Seat 5: punketty ($4426.80 in chips)
punketty: posts small blind $10
CrAbLaR: posts big blind $20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to CrAbLaR [Kd Ah]
punketty: raises $45 to $65
CrAbLaR said, "nah im not gonn aplay"
CrAbLaR: raises $177 to $242
punketty said, "then why did you post and play two hands?"
punketty said, "wtf man - show some class"
punketty: folds
CrAbLaR collected $130 from pot
CrAbLaR is sitting out
CrAbLaR: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $130 | Rake $0
Seat 4: CrAbLaR (big blind) collected ($130)
Seat 5: punketty (button) (small blind) folded before Flop

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Doesnt seem from that that hh that he had agreed prior to give back his BB. Actually that seems pretty unlikely.


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Yeah, from the HH it looks like KoD actually thought you were going to start legitimately playing HU.

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As I recollect the exact conversation we had, I am more and more convinced that this hh has been doctored in some way. The most damning piece of evidence is that I am 100% sure that in the hands I was talking about, animal and vaga lion were at the table.

animal, vaga, if either of you posts on twoplustwo, would you please verify?

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Samo, log into pokerstars, click 'requests' then 'hand history', select button 'Hand #' and enter this id, then please have the courtesy to admit you've been caught in a lie and the class to apologise.

[samoleus]

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By the way, since Crablar clearly does have the hand histories, I would challenge him to simply send the hand prior to the one that he sent. The chat in which he agreed to give me back my blind is the hand right before that one.

Of course, I guess he could easily modify or delete the chat, so I suppose that is a fruitless exercise.

(edit: looking back at this hh that Crablar sent, I am not positive that it has not been doctored. this is because I am 100% sure that vaga lion and animal were at the table and sitting out in the hand in question)

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Hey Samo, were you aware that anyone with a registered Stars account can request the hand history?

Well, it isnt doctored, and those two guys WERENT sitting out.

Enjoy your next 6 months hiatus.

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Um Dean, in that case, this was not the hand in question. Note that even Crablar never denied that those guys were at the table. I am actually pleased that anyone with a Stars account can request a hh: I am sure that some of our inquiring minds will dig up the right ones ...

[Ansky]

Did it myself, here it is folks:

Transcript for game #10563563178 requested by supernova9 *********** # 1 **************
PokerStars Game #10563563178: Hold'em No Limit ($10/$20) - 2007/06/22 -
13:48:14 (ET)
Table 'Celbalrai II' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 4: CrAbLaR ($2721.50 in chips)
Seat 5: punketty ($4426.80 in chips)
punketty: posts small blind $10
CrAbLaR: posts big blind $20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
punketty: raises $45 to $65
CrAbLaR said, "nah im not gonn aplay"
CrAbLaR: raises $177 to $242
punketty said, "then why did you post and play two hands?"
punketty said, "wtf man - show some class"
punketty: folds
CrAbLaR collected $130 from pot
CrAbLaR is sitting out
CrAbLaR: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $130 | Rake $0
Seat 4: CrAbLaR (big blind) collected ($130)
Seat 5: punketty (button) (small blind) folded before Flop

If you have any questions, please contact us at support@pokerstars.com

[Ansky]

OK here is solution,

Crab, since you have PT and samo does not, find every hand you have played hu with Samo. He is at class i beleive, so when he comes back this will all be resolved.

[ifoughtpiranhas]

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Also,

while I do not have my own hand histories, Crablar himself sent me this - from which you can draw your conclusions about what happened prior:

POKERSTARS GAME #10563563178: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($10/$20) - 2007/06/22 - 13:48:14 (ET)
Table 'Celbalrai II' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 4: CrAbLaR ($2721.50 in chips)
Seat 5: punketty ($4426.80 in chips)
punketty: posts small blind $10
CrAbLaR: posts big blind $20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to CrAbLaR [Kd Ah]
punketty: raises $45 to $65
CrAbLaR said, "nah im not gonn aplay"
CrAbLaR: raises $177 to $242
punketty said, "then why did you post and play two hands?"
punketty said, "wtf man - show some class"
punketty: folds
CrAbLaR collected $130 from pot
CrAbLaR is sitting out
CrAbLaR: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $130 | Rake $0
Seat 4: CrAbLaR (big blind) collected ($130)
Seat 5: punketty (button) (small blind) folded before Flop

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Doesnt seem from that that hh that he had agreed prior to give back his BB. Actually that seems pretty unlikely.


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Yeah, from the HH it looks like KoD actually thought you were going to start legitimately playing HU.

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As I recollect the exact conversation we had, I am more and more convinced that this hh has been doctored in some way. The most damning piece of evidence is that I am 100% sure that in the hands I was talking about, animal and vaga lion were at the table.

animal, vaga, if either of you posts on twoplustwo, would you please verify?

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Samo, log into pokerstars, click 'requests' then 'hand history', select button 'Hand #' and enter this id, then please have the courtesy to admit you've been caught in a lie and the class to apologise.

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i dont really know whos telling the truth here but dean you seem adamant that samo is lying. just wondering your thoughts on the kneejerk raise comment and if you think this might indidcate kod as being guilty. just curious as to how your 100% sure samo is lying?