Weak leads (way too late pooh-bah?) tl;dr

[monkover]

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I don't understand why you are raising the first hand. I think you do better by getting more value from worse made hands than by bluffing better made hands.

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yeah i def though this too. Raising donks every time it´s the first time is a huge leak!

[Profish2285]

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Whats your way around idiots like me who donk everything. I donk middle pairs. I donk sets. I donk air. I even donk draws. Bottom line, I rarely call OOP, but if I did, I donk

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Why do you do this though? Dont you feel you are giving up on some free continuation bets? I think a c/r definitely has a place in my game. If someone c-bets a ton I can c/r bluff them and take down the c-bet that I never would have gotten by donking into them. Not to mention, when you donk with hands like mid pair, you cant stand a raise. I would think donks should be very polarized, either to steal cheaper than a c/r would, or to get value on big hands, nothing in between like mid pair.

[corsakh]

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Whats your way around idiots like me who donk everything. I donk middle pairs. I donk sets. I donk air. I even donk draws. Bottom line, I rarely call OOP, but if I did, I donk

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Why do you do this though? Dont you feel you are giving up on some free continuation bets? I think a c/r definitely has a place in my game. If someone c-bets a ton I can c/r bluff them and take down the c-bet that I never would have gotten by donking into them. Not to mention, when you donk with hands like mid pair, you cant stand a raise. I would think donks should be very polarized, either to steal cheaper than a c/r would, or to get value on big hands, nothing in between like mid pair.

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Value in c/r? There is no value in c/r.

When I have a monster I dont want a cbet, I want a stack. Its such a waste to fold out TP with a set on the flop.

When I have a mediocre hand, why would I turn it into a bluff? OOP?

C/r with air - fine. But how to balance this. And why not simply 3bet preflop instead of giving free cards.

[Profish2285]

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Value in c/r? There is no value in c/r.

When I have a monster I dont want a cbet, I want a stack. Its such a waste to fold out TP with a set on the flop.

When I have a mediocre hand, why would I turn it into a bluff? OOP?

C/r with air - fine. But how to balance this. And why not simply 3bet preflop instead of giving free cards.

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The c/r with air works quite well but you obviously have to balance it. I agree about the set thing, I pretty much always lead with a set, but I dont think I would lead with mid pair. I dont see the value in it. If you get raised, you have to fold. How do you react to a raise from an unknown when you donk top pair? If you fold too often then you have to stop donking unless you have a monster. Im just curious how you played the medium strength hands when you donk and get raised. Or if you donk middle pair and get called, what do you don on a turn blank?

[corsakh]

Depends who raises me, one thing if its some passive fishy, another thing someone who does not know me well and I suspect raises ATC.

[Paul Thomson]

i just call in both examples.

[bozzer]

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I don't understand why you are raising the first hand. I think you do better by getting more value from worse made hands than by bluffing better made hands.

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yeah i def though this too. Raising donks every time it´s the first time is a huge leak!

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i actually meant the first hand example given where we have AT on a QT6 flop or something, and apparently his donk means weak made hand. Hmmm a call smells really good here unless he has literally loads of queens that he will be folding to your raise.

[Ricky_Bobby]

I was kinda thinking the same thing.