15/30 Bellagio interesting turn spot

[npknhldr]

Bellagio 15/30, mp raiser is TAGish younger white guy, fairly new to table. Table is passive, with a few especially weak spots. UTG is tourist donk, who is not skilled at poker.

utg limps, i limp J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], mp raises, sb calls, bb, calls, utg calls, i call

5 players, $150 pot.

Flop: J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Checked to pf raiser, who bets, utg calls, i call?

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. utg checks and cuts out 6 chips, i bet, mp raises, utg thinks, counts out two bets, and reluctantly puts them in. I raise...

[onegymrat]

This is oddly played. If UTG is a poor player as you described, at a fairly tight table, nothing wrong with raising to isolate or plain folding preflop. By limping you just handed the hand to the TAG. On the flop, I would have bet out, hoping that raiser would charge the others two bets. This would define the others hand much better. You don't want this hand multi-way.

Being that you're in the spot that you are on the turn, it'll depend on your read and instinct. 3-betting is fine if you think he has something like A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Ax, or something similar with redraws.

[cgrohman]

Lead the flop

[sublime]

hand is fine, 3 betting is fine as i would raise you here on the turn with a ton of hands. i lead the flop though.

preflop is fine btw. i raise here because i like to play big pots with bad players but limping is fine/just as good/better?. folding sucks imo.

[npknhldr]

Actually I was the Taggy pf raiser in this hand. I thought this line was weird (I won't say how i know the dude's hand), esp. on flop, and thought I'd take the other dude's p.o.v.

A c/c, b/3bet line is almost always a vulnerable flopped flush, is it not? Look at it from my perspective.

I raise KQo after two limpers in mp, blinds call and limpers call (I have position). I flop the nut straight with a 3-flush board, with no redraw. I bet and get 2 callers.

Turn is a blank, now i get donked into, I raise, donkey c/c's 2 cold, now limper 3 bets. Do i call (call blank river), 4-bet now (to get rid of donkey with draw), fold (cause I'm prob. drawing dead)?

[Lord_Strife]

Actually I have no argument with folding your hand straight to the three bet, however, you gave no reads on the JT player so it's difficult. If that player appears to be passive then I'm more likely to fold, but I can also see where the hand is played fine by JT because I think looking for a safe turn card before getting extra bets in with his two pair is legit.

[Maliant]

Could have J10/78 type hands here too often, pot seems to big to lay down.