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Old 01-16-2007, 03:39 AM
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Default Re: What Hand Would You Take Every Time?

yea, 99 is the best
look at your PT database, 99 is almost always gonna be the most profitable out of those three
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Old 01-16-2007, 03:53 AM
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For those who said, the worst hand that gives a +ev. I think this analysis is wrong. Let's say that a specific hand has an ev of +$.01 per hand, overall. I wouldn't sit down at a table if I knew that I'd be dealt this every time, making $0.30-$0.40 per hour, just isn't worth it.

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You're right; too bad no one said that. What I said was where winrate > overall.

[/ QUOTE ]What pair of cards represents the average value of cards a hold 'em player will be dealt over the long run, irrespective of his poker ability?
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Old 01-16-2007, 03:56 AM
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yea, 99 is the best
look at your PT database, 99 is almost always gonna be the most profitable out of those three

[/ QUOTE ] You would not want 88 dealt to you every time, instead of what you'll be dealt in your lifetime?

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For those who didn't realize this I meant the worst hand you would take.

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Old 01-16-2007, 05:59 AM
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This varies depending on whether or not the game is 6 max or full ring. It wouldn't take much of a hand to experience MORE profit because you will be playing this hand 100% of the time, rather than your usual 20% of hands dealt being played. This is why a hand like 22 would still be very profitable. I am a 6 max player, so I will answer as though the question is for 6 max. I am looking at my pokertracker and I'm showing something like .02 BB / hand for T9s, over 75,000 hands. Who knows how accurate this is, but if I played only T9s every hand, I would be making 2 BB / 100 at 10/20. Which is better than my current win rate!
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Old 01-16-2007, 06:00 AM
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Taking a closer look, I win .03 BB / hand with 98s!
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Old 01-16-2007, 06:36 AM
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Assuming everyone has amnesia after each hand, what cards if dealt to you every hand, would result in greater profits than you presently enjoy? I think this is a useful question for all games and tournaments as well. (Except that in tournaments it matters whether you realize or not that you will perpetually get the same hand.)

Lets answer for 10-20 limit holdem first. Pair, suited, unsuited. How bout 99, QTsuited, and AT offsuit? Not saying those are my answers.

EDIT. For those who didn't realize this I meant the worst
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This question should be really easy to figure out empirically with a robust pokertracker database by just looking at the hands that have winrate/hand close to ones overall winrate/hand. I haven't played nearly enough limit hold'em hands, but in PLO the ballpark for me is around QQxx and ~4678 suited.
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Old 01-16-2007, 09:35 AM
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w/o reading other replies TT TJs AJo
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Old 01-16-2007, 10:03 AM
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What pair of cards represents the average value of cards a hold 'em player will be dealt over the long run, irrespective of his poker ability?

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Old 01-16-2007, 12:19 PM
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Every time? KK. If betting is capped before it gets to me, I'm folding AJo.
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Old 01-16-2007, 12:53 PM
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This question should be really easy to figure out empirically with a robust pokertracker database by just looking at the hands that have winrate/hand close to ones overall winrate/hand.

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I think this method will actually end up saying you should take fewer hands than you should. This is because your play will improve much faster when you only have to learn one hand.
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