50NL : QQ oop v donk

[NL Newbie]

Checkity check.

[Chomp]

I like pf and flop.

We have $30 left on the turn and IMO we're not committed to the rest of that going in, so that is no reason to shove. I also think this is a classic FToP spot. We also have to say villain's flop call is pretty damned strong, even for a station.

If we consider villain's flop calling range, it includes a fair few pp's, sets, lots of Jx, odd 7x hands (K7s?), maybe a sc even, as well as quite a few Ax's. As there are not 2 streets of value there if we are ahead, and as we almost certainly fold the hands we beat in that range with a bet, I check.

> If villain bets pot behind (shoves basically), I'm probably out on the basis that this donk-station has an A/set much more often than he's bluffing. With history, that might change - I'll often look-up an insta-push from an aggromonkey.

> If villain checks behind, I vb river $16, fold to a push, saving ~35% of my stack.

> If villain flat calls behind our river vb, it's with KJ/QJ/JT/whatever, and we know he would have folded to a turn bet anyway.

[mdm13]

I check and hope for check down and make the crying call if he pushes but I'm not sure if thats right considering how awfully icky that turn card is, and that's if he didn't have you beat on the flop with a limped KK,AA, or JJ.

[Ikaika]

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I like pf and flop.

We have $30 left on the turn and IMO we're not committed to the rest of that going in, so that is no reason to shove. I also think this is a classic FToP spot. We also have to say villain's flop call is pretty damned strong, even for a station.

If we consider villain's flop calling range, it includes a fair few pp's, sets, lots of Jx, odd 7x hands (K7s?), maybe a sc even, as well as quite a few Ax's. As there are not 2 streets of value there if we are ahead, and as we almost certainly fold the hands we beat in that range with a bet, I check.

> If villain bets pot behind (shoves basically), I'm probably out on the basis that this donk-station has an A/set much more often than he's bluffing. With history, that might change - I'll often look-up an insta-push from an aggromonkey.

> If villain checks behind, I vb river $16, fold to a push, saving ~35% of my stack.

> If villain flat calls behind our river vb, it's with KJ/QJ/JT/whatever, and we know he would have folded to a turn bet anyway.

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Amen. Shoving the turn is terrible, you're folding most hands you beat and turning your own hand into a bluff.

[Trogdor!]

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