Suppose Tipping Poker Dealers Was Illegal

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live poker is stupid, it makes no sense

online poker is all that matters

[ijustliketoplay]

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live poker is stupid, it makes no sense

online poker is all that matters

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so, so wrong

[kerr]

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I don't have an answer, but I know that in Australia, dealers and casino staff aren't allowed to accept tips, and they were mostly competent at the Aussie Millions.

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How large of an event was this? Do they have to hire temp dealers for it? The underlying problem with the WSOP is that it is so big that they have to get dealers from somewhere. There are a few dealers that just like to travel the circuit, but most of the temp dealers would rather be working a full time job rather than working as a temp.

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13 events ranging from $550 to $100,000 buy-in. Main Event had 747 runners at $10,500 each. I don't think there would have been any temp dealers, or any from interstate. But Crown has seen a lot of experienced dealers leave in recent times, so the dealers were probably even better in 2005/2006.

[kerr]

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I don't have an answer, but I know that in Australia, dealers and casino staff aren't allowed to accept tips, and they were mostly competent at the Aussie Millions.

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just guessing, but that is probably because there is much less tipping in australia than US in all service jobs (waiters, taxi drivers,etc). when i was out there a few years ago, an australian told me that they almost view tips as insults, like they arent able to take care of themselves. employers apparently compensate them fairly, and they dont have the tip-crazy culture the US has.

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I'm not sure about the recipient of a tip being insulted, but you're right, tipping is rare. And tipping dealers is illegal in all Australian casino, although tipping wait staff is allowed, though not expected.

[Brettski]

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How large of an event was this? Do they have to hire temp dealers for it? The underlying problem with the WSOP is that it is so big that they have to get dealers from somewhere. There are a few dealers that just like to travel the circuit, but most of the temp dealers would rather be working a full time job rather than working as a temp.

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Crown Casino does not hire temp dealers for the Aussie Millions; we use all our own permanent staff.

On a side note, whilst I was at the WSOP this year, I was quite surprised by the number of dealers I met who asked how they could get a job dealing at the Aussie Millions. I had to apologise and say that we did not hire casual labour for the event.

I got a bigger shock when they then said, "what if I emigrate?" [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

[DonkeyChip]

I always assumed that poker dealers didn't get much, if any, benefits. If that is the case, and if benefits did become part of their pay, then they would certainly get a lot less money. Benefits are very expensive these days. But they would probably get more value considering that if they bought their own health insurance/etc. it would cost a lot of money. Some people would just rather have the cash.

Whether the best dealers made more/less money? I suppose they would get a higher wage, just like many other jobs where the best performers get a better wage. But it still seems that they would make less. Almost all would likely make less because so many people way overtip and the casino/cardroom isn't going to overpay like that.

[Clarkmeister]

I'm sure lots of them would be upset they now were forced to pay taxes on all of their earnings.

[GotQuads]

Dealers should be replaced by e-tables that shuffle properly

[Clarkmeister]

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Dealers should be replaced by e-tables that shuffle properly

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Sorry, I want cards, chips and people.

[fees]

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live poker is stupid, it makes no sense

online poker is all that matters

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so, so wrong

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are you over 30, just curious?