Mark Seif responds 1/11/07. Most amusing!

[Tuco]

Mark,

If you happen to read this thread, we would love to have you on our poker radio show this Sunday night. You have been a guest before and we have covered the AP story very closely. See the link in my profile for our show website.

I don't expect you to take us up on this as you seem to want to release information at your pace. You don't want to face the tough questions and your reputation in the poker world is being damaged beyond what you think it is.

However, the option is open to you. Please send me a PM if you would like to tell your side and answer some serious questions.

Adam

[MoeJ]

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His fixation on Dan Druff has gotten kind of funny, in a weird, creepy way. This guy just doesn't know when to STFU.

[augie_]

guys just think about it this way...if mark seif sues dan druff, seif will simply become public enemy #1 in the poker world. you think he would put himself through that?

[NewGuy]

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if mark seif sues dan druff, seif will simply become public enemy #1 in the poker world

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FWIW, I don't believe Seif ever cheated or ever had access to opponents hole cards. I generally had no strong opinion or negative impressions of him before his reactions to this scandal came to light.

Having said that, Seif's statements containing vague, thinly veiled threats of a potential civil suit have dragged my opinion of Seif down a notch or two.

If Seif were to be such a megalomaniac that he actually would go to court and sue a victim who lost money on his site, this could only increase the damage to Seif's now tattered reputation an order of magnitude. This could only serve to permanently destroy any chance he would have of partially rehabilitating his image with the poker public.

It simply boggles the mind how irrational and self-righteous people can become when they feel they are being attacked. How can anyone who is a spokesman and/or partial owner of a gambling institution that has admitted to the worst violation of trust possible conceivably think his actions should not be subjected to public scrutiny? The most generous thing I could say about Seif's statements to date is that wow oh wow does he sound like a lawyer, in any negative sense of the word one could imagine.

[DanielM]

Going to play devil's advocate here (brace myself for the nasty posts about me...).

The one thing that doesn't makes sense regarding the 2/15/06 session is why would Mark Seif only cheat once, for 20 minutes? If he had the ability to see the cards, wouldn't he keep cheating, like AJ? If Mark had other suspicious sessions, it would be all over the web by now.

(FYI, I made a replied with a rather long post to Todd's post "My rebuttal to Mark Seif on RawVegas.TV" where I did my best to analyze the body language of both. My impression is that I found Mark's denial suspicious)

[Shooz]

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Going to play devil's advocate here (brace myself for the nasty posts about me...).

The one thing that doesn't makes sense regarding the 2/15/06 session is why would Mark Seif only cheat once, for 20 minutes? If he had the ability to see the cards, wouldn't he keep cheating, like AJ? If Mark had other suspicious sessions, it would be all over the web by now.

(FYI, I made a replied with a rather long post to Todd's post "My rebuttal to Mark Seif on RawVegas.TV" where I did my best to analyze the body language of both. My impression is that I found Mark's denial suspicious)

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possibly because he was tilted and got careless, much like the 10 high call for POTRIPPER

[KCW12]

At this point, does anyone think releasing the HH (even if Seif is completely innocent) will help his reputation? I think it will just spur a wave of claims that the HHs are doctored and people will bash him even more. That sucks for him because I think he probably is innocent, but he handled the situation about as bad as anyone could possibly handle it. If AP really does have the HHs backed up somewhere, Seif sure didn't seem to put a whole lot of effort into getting to them considering what he had at stake.

[highhustla]

We only discovered any cheating in the first place because it was the worst, most blatant cheating of all time.

The only sessions we've called into question are the ones where the behavior is blatantly suspicious, BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY EVIDENCE WE HAVE.

Just because POTRIPPER played like an absolute retard, and Seif allegedly open-folded a boat, doesn't mean that the cheaters had to play like unbelievable [censored] morons every time they cheated.

You seem to imply that every time a person cheats in poker, it is obviously "suspicious" to a casual observer?

Your question is the right one. But it's not devil's advocate.

[Synergistic Explosions]

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The only sessions we've called into question are the ones where the behavior is blatantly suspicious, BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY EVIDENCE WE HAVE.

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Good point. The fact is, we don't really know how much they cheated because if they did it with normal intelligence it's impossible to detect. Plus not having access to the HH's render any review moot.

At this point in time, we just have to accept the refunds AP sends out and be grateful.

[DanielM]

You have a point, Mark Seif is very smart and could cover his tracks better. I think patterns would reveal themself over time even if he limited his alleged cheating. Of coarse, without extensive, valid HH there is nothing to analyze.