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Old 10-23-2007, 11:40 PM
St. lucifer St. lucifer is offline
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Default Re: 3 Way Pot With Kings

call...
If he has J10 why would he reraise

If he Has strong Q's he could possibly raise...

Most likely he has two pair or paired his Q and doesn't want to get outdrawn on on turn/riv..

In any case, call to showdown since you could have just just pushed all-in anyways...and been wrong
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Old 10-23-2007, 11:47 PM
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Default Re: 3 Way Pot With Kings

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call...
If he has J10 why would he reraise

If he Has strong Q's he could possibly raise...

Most likely he has two pair or paired his Q and doesn't want to get outdrawn on on turn/riv..

In any case, call to showdown since you could have just just pushed all-in anyways...and been wrong

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If he doesnt want to get outdrawn then y is he letting me in cheaply? and i dont understand ur last sentence
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Old 10-24-2007, 12:31 AM
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yea sorry, was kinda lazy there. here's my reasoning:

this is very read dependent on player, but think about what happens if u call.

most likely, u are now playing an inflated pot oop drawing to 2 outs. just mho
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Old 10-24-2007, 12:47 AM
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yea sorry, was kinda lazy there. here's my reasoning:

this is very read dependent on player, but think about what happens if u call.

most likely, u are now playing an inflated pot oop drawing to 2 outs. just mho

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i dont think im behind btn's range at all but i do think im behind his shove-calling range, im calling 9 into 55 or something so calling to check it down against his weak queen/pair + gutter is +EV IMO, i wasnt playing well and multi tabling and i shoved and he showed a set of nines which held up.
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Old 10-24-2007, 12:55 AM
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Default Re: 3 Way Pot With Kings

if i thought hed go broke with any pair (especially queens) + straight draw or something then im shoving but i think the +EV of not giving free gut shots to most of his range is outweighed by the -EV of shoving against a seemingly competent shove-calling range.
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Old 10-24-2007, 01:47 AM
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i shoved and he showed a set of nines which held up.

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hes flat calling to try and get the other guy in the pot and get more value from you. i dont think he flats anything besides JT or a set here, and based on pf he doesnt have QQ...so 88, 99, or JT are most likely.

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+EV of not giving free gut shots

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he never shows up here with a gutshot. like ever. unless he has down syndrome.
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Old 10-24-2007, 02:02 AM
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k dont fold, just call
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Old 10-24-2007, 02:08 AM
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wow don't fold the flop w/o really sick reads. board isn't drawy so I don't like shoving but call > shove > fold imo.
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Old 10-24-2007, 02:11 AM
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call seems best here
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Old 10-24-2007, 03:09 AM
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why wouldn't you raise for value here?
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