AQ i mess it up pf

[oyvindgee]

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if you call turn you should be snap calling that river.

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Because villain's range is the same on both streets?

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hero should be deciding on the turn whether or not he is going to call a river bet. simply calling turn and hoping villain checks behind river is pretty weak.

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I call river because our hand is somewhat underrepped and he can be bluffing or value betting worse. I do not call because folding turn is ridic weak and hence folding river must be equally weak. I also think it's somewhat close and that we are beat pretty often.

[staring_elf]

of course. the fact that villain bet the river makes it more likely that we are beat, that he has AK/AJ/set/whatever. i'm not saying that river is an auto call simply because we called turn - i just mean that in general if i choose to call turn i'm generally calling that river all day and expecting it to be +EV. i'm not calling for the sole reason that calling turn and folding river is weak. its just part of the reason.

EDIT: you said it well yourself - I call river because our hand is somewhat underrepped and he can be bluffing or value betting worse. thats why i snap call river

[wazz]

Why not b/f turn. As played snapcall

[LerkEr]

tuff spot i call it down.

[staring_elf]

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Why not b/f turn. As played snapcall

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he might crai with a flush draw or even as a bluff and we prob have to fold to it.

he doesn't get to bluff into us again

if he just calls it puts us in a kind of crappy spot OOP on the river

i think c/c is a better line all things considered

[freekie]

I think my hand is pretty much face up, imo all i beat is a bluff here or i get a chop from AQ... because a strong ace and sometimes a set plays like this

that is why i was considering folding the river, reasonable thought?

[nutsflopper]

If you plan on folding river, you have to fold turn. Calling OOP hoping to get it checked down is a big leak unless villian has a history of taking showdowns or is scared $ or something.

[staring_elf]

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I think my hand is pretty much face up, imo all i beat is a bluff here or i get a chop from AQ... because a strong ace and sometimes a set plays like this

that is why i was considering folding the river, reasonable thought?

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your hand is not face up as AQ

[JackAll]

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I think my hand is pretty much face up, imo all i beat is a bluff here or i get a chop from AQ... because a strong ace and sometimes a set plays like this

that is why i was considering folding the river, reasonable thought?

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Your hand is certainly NOT face up - if you're a tag.
I got caught twice by the same tag doing this with AQ. Few tag's play AQ like this, and tag's bet strong hands, so this looks like a reasonable third barrell bluff to push you off your hand.