calling for str8 on paired flop

[scott111]

No particular reads other than typical loose passive.

PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T, J.
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP2 raises, 1 fold, CO calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8.40 SB) Q, K, K (4 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP2 bets, CO raises, Hero calls, UTG calls, MP2 3-bets, CO caps, Hero calls, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (12.20 BB) 9 (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, CO bets, Hero raises, UTG calls, MP2 3-bets, CO caps, Hero calls, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

River: (26.20 BB) 5 (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG folds, MP2 raises, CO 3-bets, Hero calls, MP2 caps, CO calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 36.20 BB

[Niediam]

I lot of people here say that preflop is good. But I really belive it's a losing play unless you can play postflop very well.

You definately need to let this hand go at some point.... I'm not sure if that point is on the flop or the turn though.

[BigBadBabar]

niediam, lol? this is the most standard preflop call ever

[Niediam]

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niediam, lol? this is the most standard preflop call ever

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Then why do the books Small Stakes Hold'em, Middle Limit Hold'em, and Winning Low Limit Hold'em all say to fold it?

[tyler_cracker]

i definitely call preflop. niediam, i agree that we must proceed cautiously after the flop, but i'm not seeing a fold here.

no reason to believe we're in particularly bad shape after the first flop bet and raise. after it goes 3bet and cap, things are scarier, but now the pot is big and no one else can raise.

since we're here and we hit, i like the turn c/r. mp2's check/3bet and co's cap are absolutely terrifying and this is where you fold without a fairly specific read.

i wish you had stopped the action at your third turn decision, though, because the river action may be affecting me.

your river donk is pretty lol.

[BigBadBabar]

it says fold jack-ten getting what, 6:1 or 7:1 pf in what's going to be a 4way pot, with great relative position?

[JJH3984]

I call here. I think its an easy call.

[BigBadBabar]

that's a call without even thinking about it, imo

[BigBadBabar]

postflop is the important part in this thread though so let's focus on that

[Niediam]

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it says fold jack-ten getting what, 6:1 or 7:1 pf in what's going to be a 4way pot, with great relative position?

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Yes.

I'm not saying that this should always be folded. I'm saying its -EV if you can't play well postflop. I would honestly guess that the average 2+2er loses money with the call. But OP clearly isn't ready to play the hand. Look at how he played the rest of the hand. Do you really think that in the long run (based upon his current skills) he is going to do better than -0.50BB by playing here?