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Old 05-30-2007, 07:48 AM
Ampelmann Ampelmann is offline
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Default (10NL) TT oop, A turns

Villain is unknown. All-in on the turn?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $6.15
UTG+1: $7.20
MP1: $10.35
MP2: $7
MP3: $3.15
CO: $7.55
Button: $3.20
Hero: $10.80
BB: $4

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, CO calls, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $0.6</font>, BB calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($1.4, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $1.1</font>, BB calls.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($3.6, 2 players)
Hero?
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Old 05-30-2007, 09:11 AM
CaptVimes CaptVimes is offline
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Default Re: (10NL) TT oop, A turns

I hate this spot, your oop and anything you bet is going to commit villains stack. My initial feeling is that villain is probably drawing and that on the turn your still ahead of a good part of his range. Betting is likely to drive out hands that you are ahead of, but he is so short at this point it might not matter. If you bet and he goes all-in its going to be so little relative to the pot that you pretty much have to call. It all seems like its going to end up in the middle. I might check/call this giving weaker hands a chance to bluff at the pot taking a WA/WB line. I defer to others judgement on this hand as this is a tough spot for me too.

I think also, I bet the pot on the flop. I really think you are generally ahead at this point and want the short stack to commit more chips while he's behind. If he's going to call a 1.10 bet, villain will generally call a 1.40 bet. I think it helps make the turn decision easier also because you'll be getting 3to1 whatever villain does. I had gotten away from full pot sized bets on the flop and I think it hurt my NL10 game. I lost a lot of value too.
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Old 05-30-2007, 09:54 AM
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Default Re: (10NL) TT oop, A turns

Yes, bet pot flop and turn imo.
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Old 05-30-2007, 02:47 PM
SireCh SireCh is offline
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Default Re: (10NL) TT oop, A turns

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Yes, bet pot flop and turn imo.

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villian has 2,3$ left on the turn, so by betting we put him ai. does he call with non-Ax hands ?
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Old 05-30-2007, 02:52 PM
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Default Re: (10NL) TT oop, A turns

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Yes, bet pot flop and turn imo.

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villian has 2,3$ left on the turn, so by betting we put him ai. does he call with non-Ax hands ?

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he's sitting with 40bbs at a .05/.10 game, yeah they call with worse a ton
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Old 05-30-2007, 04:19 PM
Albert Moulton Albert Moulton is offline
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Default Re: (10NL) TT oop, A turns

Might as well put him all-in on the turn. He is probably on some kind of draw, you probably can't fold if he pushes despite the A on the board, and he probably calls with all his draws as well as any Ace if you push. Plus, if he has some mid overpair like 88-JJ, then he might fold if you put him all in when the ace hits since he might figure you for Ax that just got lucky on the turn.
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Old 05-31-2007, 01:51 AM
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Default Re: (10NL) TT oop, A turns

Make it a dollar preflop
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Old 05-31-2007, 01:59 AM
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Default Re: (10NL) TT oop, A turns

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Make it a dollar preflop

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This is a joke, right?
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Old 05-31-2007, 02:26 AM
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Default Re: (10NL) TT oop, A turns

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Make it a dollar preflop

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This is a joke, right?

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No, I think at NL10 this accomplishes everything you want a 5BB bet to, yet it (.6) doesn't at this level.
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Old 05-31-2007, 04:03 AM
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Default Re: (10NL) TT oop, A turns

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Make it a dollar preflop

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Let's say I raise to $1 and get one caller. I'd be in really bad position if an overcard flops (in particular an A), and TT will have overcards frequently. I'd be forced to make a big c-bet. And what do I do if I get called?

If the short guy calls, it's not too big a problem to put my chips in. But what if someone with a big stack calls
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