200nl 6max DEEP- Raised flop NutFLushDraw facing 4 bet push!

[Paul Thomson]

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I have stoved this. The best equity I can find is 33%. And this is being generous by including some slow played KK.

I think the "CORRECT" decision should have been to fold to the push. However I called.

$309.15 and is All-In

Turn: ($797.30) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($797.30) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $797.30 Pot ($3 Rake)
UTG showed 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a flush, Nine high) and LOST (-$393.15 NET)
Hero showed J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a flush, Ace high) and WON $794.30 (+$401.15 NET)

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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

15,840 games 0.005 secs 3,168,000 games/sec

Board: 2h 9d 8d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.354% 40.35% 00.00% 6392 0.00 { AdJd }
Hand 1: 59.646% 59.65% 00.00% 9448 0.00 { AA, 99-88, 22, KdQd, KdTd, QdTd, Td8d, 8d6d, 7d6d }

[Money2Burn]

just curious, but what ranges did you put for him?

[vancouverspecial]

raising flop with these stacks is pretty bad imo.

100bb is perfect,
300bb+ is good too, but your stacks are just too awkward

[yad]

I agree with shpanko on this one.

As played, you've gotta fold the flop. You have an average of maybe 10.5 outs, and given that you're not getting the right odds.

[cs3]

think about what hands UTG is betting that flop with, and which of those hands he's folding to hero's super weak raise.... ya, none of them.
so either make it like 125 and be happy calling a shove, or just call. And i prefer calling this deep. especailly becaue PF limp/callers usally hav huge hands when they donk the flop for full pot

[aislephive]

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I have stoved this. The best equity I can find is 33%. And this is being generous by including some slow played KK.

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Wtf range are you giving him?

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

49,500 games 0.015 secs 3,300,000 games/sec

Board: 2d 9d 8h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.840% 41.79% 00.05% 20684 27.00 { AdJd }
Hand 1: 58.160% 58.11% 00.05% 28762 27.00 { 88+, 22, Kd8d, Qd8d, Jd8d, Td8d, 98s, 8d7d, 8d6d, 8d5d, 7d6d, 6d5d, 98o }

My range is a little wide probably but at worst we're going to have like 38-40% equity against his range. TT+ may seem unlikely, but he also likely raises 88-99 preflop as well and his play reeks of a draw / scared overpair imo more than a set. I think 89 is a very likely hand here as well.

It's a marginal decision, but it's +EV and you should call.

I also do not like raising the flop, we don't want to chase out inferior draws behind us and if you really think villain is looking to bet/3bet a set or two pair then you obviously don't want to give him that opportunity.

Plus raise/folding the NFD with these stacks is gross.

[soda]

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Plus raise/folding the NFD with these stacks is gross.

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I love this statement you made here because I believe it is true no matter your strategy. I try very hard to be an idiot and as such I'm perceived very very often as an idiot. I'm happy to get it all in even this deep in such a spot. But even if you are a solid tag (whose game I totally respect BTW), you still do NOT want to raise this flop and then fold. Pick a better line.

soda

[primate]

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OP, villain donks and you didnt plan for his 3bet? wtf?

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What a ridiculous and unhelpful comment, please don't bother posting in future. I called his bet u muppet but on reflection thought that a fold might have been the correct decision.

[Speedlimits]

It's a 3bet not a 4bet.

And fold.

[primate]

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It's a 3bet not a 4bet.

And fold.

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Thanks for the correction. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

Please elaborate on "and fold". Again.. simple statements such as this are not particularly helpful.