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11-19-2007, 01:54 PM
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Re: are TURBOS a CRAPSHOOT
I used to avoid Tubros as a rule - I felt the exact same way as the OP. "If you think you're better than average, play a deeper stack tourney and you'll have more opportunity to exploit your edge".
This is true, to a degree, but two things made me change my mind about the Turbos: 1) Even if my ROI is 5% higher in non-turbos, since I can play 50% more Turbos, I can get a higher profit from the lower ROI. 2) I realized that my opponents are over-compensating for the speed of the turbo, making many more mistakes as compared to the regular speed tourneys. I can exploit this to my advantage. What I've found is that while I have more bubbles / early exits from the Turbos, I have more wins than 4th and 5th place finishes in them. It's truly a "build a big stack or head home" scenario on the bubble, and once I have that big stack, I can exploit the smaller stacks into making mistakes. (and those mistakes are more frequent than the regular speed tourneys). So I like 'em. OT ps - plus, having a baby, I can afford the hour to play a turbo 45... I can't afford the 2+ for a regular speed one... 
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11-19-2007, 02:48 PM
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Re: are TURBOS a CRAPSHOOT
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I used to avoid Tubros as a rule - I felt the exact same way as the OP. "If you think you're better than average, play a deeper stack tourney and you'll have more opportunity to exploit your edge". This is true, to a degree, but two things made me change my mind about the Turbos: 1) Even if my ROI is 5% higher in non-turbos, since I can play 50% more Turbos, I can get a higher profit from the lower ROI. 2) I realized that my opponents are over-compensating for the speed of the turbo, making many more mistakes as compared to the regular speed tourneys. I can exploit this to my advantage. What I've found is that while I have more bubbles / early exits from the Turbos, I have more wins than 4th and 5th place finishes in them. It's truly a "build a big stack or head home" scenario on the bubble, and once I have that big stack, I can exploit the smaller stacks into making mistakes. (and those mistakes are more frequent than the regular speed tourneys). So I like 'em. OT ps - plus, having a baby, I can afford the hour to play a turbo 45... I can't afford the 2+ for a regular speed one... [/ QUOTE ] exactly what he said...I used to be a anti-turbo guy beut killing the 12 180's...more variance but more poor lay too and skill does play a part
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#5
11-19-2007, 06:27 PM
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Re: are TURBOS a CRAPSHOOT
I think Double Ice just called me a bad player =(.
Please stop coaching others. I'm pretty sure my it's easy to win/lose 3.5 std. dev.....I have no idea what you consider to be 1 s.d. though....cause I've played many of them and have gone through +/- 3k downswings pretty quickly.
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#6
11-19-2007, 06:47 PM
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Re: are TURBOS a CRAPSHOOT
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I think Double Ice just called me a bad player =(. Please stop coaching others. I'm pretty sure my it's easy to win/lose 3.5 std. dev.....I have no idea what you consider to be 1 s.d. though....cause I've played many of them and have gone through +/- 3k downswings pretty quickly. [/ QUOTE ] Heh, I don't know what I am talking about. Sorry to insult you. Hope you win at the tables soon. AWice
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#7
11-19-2007, 06:55 PM
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Re: are TURBOS a CRAPSHOOT
[ QUOTE ]
I think Double Ice just called me a bad player =(. Please stop coaching others. I'm pretty sure my it's easy to win/lose 3.5 std. dev.....I have no idea what you consider to be 1 s.d. though....cause I've played many of them and have gone through +/- 3k downswings pretty quickly. [/ QUOTE ] +1..im probably playing bad too but dam i have gone on some sick runs in turbos..won like 15k in my first 500 and then have been on a 500 game break even/barely losing streak ever since
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#8
11-19-2007, 10:21 PM
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Re: are TURBOS a CRAPSHOOT
i, personally, love turbo tournaments. i don't think they turn into a "crapshoot" like most players, it's more of just a different endgame strategy imo. late in a turbo tournament with the blinds increasing or at any point where your stack is > M10 is all about looking for spots to get in a +EV position to double up or accumulate chips. turbo tournament endgame involves lots of shoving in position to pick up chips as the blinds and antes go up, and picking your spots very wisely, more so than a normal holdem tournament.
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#9
11-19-2007, 11:44 PM
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Re: are TURBOS a CRAPSHOOT
don't play turbos, this could happen...
Poker Stars, $11 + $1 NL Hold'em Tournament, 25/50 Blinds, 9 Players LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter SB: 1,330 Hero (BB): 1,345 UTG: 975 UTG+1: 2,555 UTG+2: 2,370 MP1: 1,375 MP2: 1,370 CO: 1,200 BTN: 980 Pre-Flop: (75) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB) 4 folds, <font color="red">MP2 raises to 150</font>, 2 folds, SB calls 125, <font color="red">Hero raises to 1,345 and is All-In</font>, MP2 folds, SB calls 1,180 and is All-In Flop: (2,810) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In) Turn: (2,810) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In) River: (2,810) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In) Results: 2,810 Pot SB showed 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a flush, King high) and WON 2,810 (+1,480 NET) Hero showed A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a pair of Sevens) and LOST (-1,330 NET)
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