Absolute Soulreading/Rigged thread #3

[ikestoys]

second one is much better

[adanthar]

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total rake has a negative number.

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yeah you're right, must be a bug with the converter.

yep, found a couple of hands that are still buggy but somehow imported anyway. nothing that affects the overall stats.

[ikestoys]

dude those stats mean he's bet/raising 20 times everytime he is calling

[adanthar]

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dude those stats mean he's bet/raising 20 times everytime he is calling

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only 17.5 times = not rigged at all ldo

[Oski]

I'd write the story as simple as possible while stating the conclusions. You can have an accompanying "side bar" story; "Here's How We Know: (or whatever)" and use that to explain the PokerTracker stats and what they mean. I would use a narrative format like Pokeraddict used in his Casino Meister post.

[sethypooh21]

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Also, as a lawyer, I would completely eliminate from this discussion all of the allegations about Mark Seif being involved in the cheating. I have not see anything in these threads other than various circumstantial stuff implicating him. The fact is that there is evidence here of cheating, but it is impossible for the people in these threads to determine who was/is doing the cheating. Absolute is in the best position to do that. I am not a litigator, but I have to believe that accusing a professional poker player, and semi-public figure, of cheating in the game that is his profession is pretty serious and could lead to a libel lawsuit.

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*weasel disclaimer: the following is not legal advice, just off the cuff ruminations*

I think we need to be responsible about discussing Seif's involvement, but I'm pretty sure he falls under the NY Times v. Sullivan definition of a "public figure" at least WRT poker, and certainly WRT to a site he actively promotes. So as long as we don't make knowingly false statements or act with reckless disregard to the truth, we're probably ok. The aspect of poker being his profession goes to the amount of damages, if any, rather than whether or not the statements made are libelous. (Essentially, disparagement of professional reputation is per se damaging, whereas in most libel cases it's somewhat difficult to demonstrate actual loss).

So while bringing up the previous questions about Seif are possibly fair game, actually accusing him of having used "god mode" is at least close to the line of reckless disregard, if not worse.

[AC-Cobra]

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Only in certain sessions were DD's river agg stats infinite, but it's not possible to do everytime - like when someone shoves a straight into his flush on the river, he can only call - whether he has position or not he may still find himself only being able to call/overcall with someone behind.

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Ok, just to check then, are 20 and 16 still relatively high? Because that sounds a lot different to infinite.

Just to clarify Im totally convinced from previous evidence, just worried about putting this evidence out there. If I personally had seen this first I would of been shocked by the pf agg and the dollars won, but that doesnt have the same effect as then being smacked over the head with the infinite symbol for river AF.

[egj]

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On another note: Poker Tracker doesn't really give us exactly the statistics that would be most damning (although it comes close at times). Once we have cleaned up hand histories, someone should write a program that parses those histories and computes those statistics. I would be happy to do that, if no one else does.

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For example, we would like to know how often he folds (on any street) when he is ahead. Should be close to 0%.

We would also like to know how often he raises on the river when he is ahead and when neither player is all-in. Should be close to 100%.

[ikestoys]

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Only in certain sessions were DD's river agg stats infinite, but it's not possible to do everytime - like when someone shoves a straight into his flush on the river, he can only call - whether he has position or not he may still find himself only being able to call/overcall with someone behind.

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Ok, just to check then, are 20 and 16 still relatively high? Because that sounds a lot different to infinite.

Just to clarify Im totally convinced from previous evidence, just worried about putting this evidence out there. If I personally had seen this first I would of been shocked by the pf agg and the dollars won, but that doesnt have the same effect as then being smacked over the head with the infinite symbol for river AF.

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bbv is full of fish huh?

[AC-Cobra]

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Only in certain sessions were DD's river agg stats infinite, but it's not possible to do everytime - like when someone shoves a straight into his flush on the river, he can only call - whether he has position or not he may still find himself only being able to call/overcall with someone behind.

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Ok, just to check then, are 20 and 16 still relatively high? Because that sounds a lot different to infinite.

Just to clarify Im totally convinced from previous evidence, just worried about putting this evidence out there. If I personally had seen this first I would of been shocked by the pf agg and the dollars won, but that doesnt have the same effect as then being smacked over the head with the infinite symbol for river AF.

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bbv is full of fish huh?

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Lol, guess I deserved that. Just not incredibly familiar with the PT statistics, Ill take that as a yes.