Big call against maniac?

markuisis · #1 10-18-2007, 07:11 PM

Here are some hands which illustrate the type of player villain is.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: $270.10
MP: $33.95
CO(villain): $96.50
BTN: $212.50
SB: $207.65
Hero (BB): $101.55

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
2 folds, CO raises to $3.50, BTN calls $3.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($8.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
CO bets $5, BTN raises to $15, CO raises to $30, BTN calls $15

Turn: ($68.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
CO bets $63 and is All-In, BTN calls $63

River: ($194.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $194.50 Pot ($3 Rake)
CO showed 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Aces) and WON $191.50 (+$95 NET)
BTN showed Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a pair of Kings) and LOST (-$96.50 NET)

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $168.60
BTN: $45.20
SB(villain): $170.30
BB: $251.05
UTG: $149.80
Hero (MP): $114.35

Pre-Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
2 folds, CO calls $1, BTN folds, SB raises to $5, BB folds, CO calls $4

Flop: ($11) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB bets $7, CO raises to $14, SB raises to $25, CO raises to $36, SB folds

Results: $61 Pot ($3 Rake)
CO mucked and WON $58 (+$28 NET)

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $209.20
SB: $44.20
BB(villain): $227.65
UTG: $249.55
MP: $148.30
Hero (CO): $111.70

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG folds, MP calls $1, Hero folds, BTN calls $1, SB folds, BB checks

Flop: ($3.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, MP checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($3.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB bets $3, MP folds, BTN raises to $6, BB calls $3

River: ($15.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB bets $10, BTN calls $10

Results: $35.50 Pot ($1.75 Rake)
BTN showed 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (two pair, Nines and Sixes) and WON $33.75 (+$16.75 NET)
BB showed 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Nines) and LOST (-$17 NET)

So now the hand, i'll give my thoughts after

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

MP: $196.60
CO: $45.20
BTN: $140.30
SB: $250.05
BB: $149.80
Hero (UTG): $114.35

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to $3.50, 2 folds, BTN raises to $12, 2 folds, Hero calls $8.50

Flop: ($25.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $20, Hero calls $20

Turn: ($65.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $45, Hero raises to $82.35 and is All-In, BTN calls $37.35

River: ($230.20) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $230.20 Pot ($3 Rake)
BTN showed 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a full house, Nines full of Sevens) and WON $227.20 (+$112.85 NET)
Hero showed T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (two pair, Tens and Nines) and LOST (-$114.35 NET)

I strongly considered 4 betting pf as his 3 betting range was def very wide but then id be turning my hand into a bluff IMO since although he was def a maniac,
he didnt seem ridiculously loose. Flop play is same as pf, i coudlve reraised and commited myself but again id be turning my hand into a bluff, so i opted
to call and c/shove almost any turn knowing his range is wide open here. When he makes that bet on the turn, i felt like there was no way he had a 7 or a 9
betting that big and i dont know that he always bets his overpairs on such a bad turn, anyways is this a muck? Do some muck the flop? cause calling flop without planning to call turn against this guy is pretty retarded IMO

Claunchy · #2 10-18-2007, 07:14 PM

Standard.

markuisis · #3 10-18-2007, 07:16 PM

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so u def stack off? was there something ud do differently?

terp · #4 10-18-2007, 07:16 PM

it looks like you wanna let this guy be the one shoving, so do that. bet flop, call shove

markuisis · #5 10-18-2007, 07:20 PM

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it looks like you wanna let this guy be the one shoving, so do that. bet flop, call shove

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c/c flop and c/shoving turn is pretty much the same thing id say, except i prob get some more out of him in fact, since if i bet flop - i bet 20, he raises to 40 i raise to 80, he folds his air and we stack off against his better hands, here im getting 65 out of him and shoving the turn is cause there is so little behind that he isnt gonna do anything on the river if hes bluffing IMO. In retrospect, id prob lead flop, flat a raise and c/c his imminent turn shove.