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09-07-2007, 10:24 AM
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Re: AQ - Firing 2 Barrels in a 3bet Pot
this is fine, hes floating at least one street w/ JJ/QQ/99 type hands, and may well be floating w/ air some % of the time. He folds all of that to a turn shove and you arent drawing dead when he calls
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#12
09-07-2007, 10:26 AM
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Re: AQ - Firing 2 Barrels in a 3bet Pot
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this is fine, hes floating at least one street w/ JJ/QQ/99 type hands, and may well be floating w/ air some % of the time. He folds all of that to a turn shove and you arent drawing dead when he calls [/ QUOTE ] Unless you have a read that he likes to float, I don't agree with the turn shove.
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#13
09-07-2007, 10:29 AM
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Re: AQ - Firing 2 Barrels in a 3bet Pot
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[ QUOTE ] this is fine, hes floating at least one street w/ JJ/QQ/99 type hands, and may well be floating w/ air some % of the time. He folds all of that to a turn shove and you arent drawing dead when he calls [/ QUOTE ] Unless you have a read that he likes to float, I don't agree with the turn shove. [/ QUOTE ] Me neither. Wihtout a read he'll call the flop with air close to never and AA/Kx/sets will be a too large part of his range compared to QQ/JJ/99 to make a shove +EV imo.
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#14
09-07-2007, 10:29 AM
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Re: AQ - Firing 2 Barrels in a 3bet Pot
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[ QUOTE ] this is fine, hes floating at least one street w/ JJ/QQ/99 type hands, and may well be floating w/ air some % of the time. He folds all of that to a turn shove and you arent drawing dead when he calls [/ QUOTE ] Unless you have a read that he likes to float, I don't agree with the turn shove. [/ QUOTE ] you dont really need a read to assume he can still have 99-QQ after the flop, unless hes some kind of ubernit.
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#15
09-07-2007, 10:30 AM
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Re: AQ - Firing 2 Barrels in a 3bet Pot
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] this is fine, hes floating at least one street w/ JJ/QQ/99 type hands, and may well be floating w/ air some % of the time. He folds all of that to a turn shove and you arent drawing dead when he calls [/ QUOTE ] Unless you have a read that he likes to float, I don't agree with the turn shove. [/ QUOTE ] Me neither. Wihtout a read he'll call the flop with air close to never and AA/Kx/sets will be a too large part of his range compared to QQ/JJ/99 to make a shove +EV imo. [/ QUOTE ] AA,sets and KX are raising the flop a good % of the time, 99-QQ isnt ever.
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#16
09-07-2007, 10:32 AM
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Re: AQ - Firing 2 Barrels in a 3bet Pot
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] this is fine, hes floating at least one street w/ JJ/QQ/99 type hands, and may well be floating w/ air some % of the time. He folds all of that to a turn shove and you arent drawing dead when he calls [/ QUOTE ] Unless you have a read that he likes to float, I don't agree with the turn shove. [/ QUOTE ] Me neither. Wihtout a read he'll call the flop with air close to never and AA/Kx/sets will be a too large part of his range compared to QQ/JJ/99 to make a shove +EV imo. [/ QUOTE ] AA,sets and KX are raising the flop a good % of the time, 99-QQ isnt ever. [/ QUOTE ] 99-QQ are folding the flop a good % of the time, AA,sets and KX isnt ever.
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#17
09-07-2007, 10:34 AM
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Re: AQ - Firing 2 Barrels in a 3bet Pot
i disagree, unless OP is super tight then i think they are folding flop like 10% tops
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#18
09-07-2007, 10:40 AM
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Re: AQ - Firing 2 Barrels in a 3bet Pot
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] this is fine, hes floating at least one street w/ JJ/QQ/99 type hands, and may well be floating w/ air some % of the time. He folds all of that to a turn shove and you arent drawing dead when he calls [/ QUOTE ] Unless you have a read that he likes to float, I don't agree with the turn shove. [/ QUOTE ] you dont really need a read to assume he can still have 99-QQ after the flop, unless hes some kind of ubernit. [/ QUOTE ] I agree that he can have 99-QQ, and I absolutely float here with those hands in Villain's position against a straightforward (hopefully non-aggro) opponent who I have a read will give up on the turn when he doesn't have anything. It would be nitty not to do that some percentage of the time; that's good poker. But, I think it's very important to realize such floats should necessarily occur with smaller frequency than a call on the flop with a better hand than mid-pair -- particularly in a raised pot where you're about to be pot committed. So, again, my view is that from Hero's perspective, in order for him to shove the turn, it's most sensible for him to have a read that Villain floats. Then, by all means shove...but not super often b/c then you really will get looked up by mp.
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09-07-2007, 10:42 AM
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Re: AQ - Firing 2 Barrels in a 3bet Pot
ya i didnt mean it was standard, i just meant that its perfectly fine to do, and a K hi board is a fine board to do it on.
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#20
09-07-2007, 10:45 AM
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Re: AQ - Firing 2 Barrels in a 3bet Pot
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i disagree, unless OP is super tight then i think they are folding flop like 10% tops [/ QUOTE ] I don't think pushing is terrible or anything, but I think c/f is better vs an unknown. I don't think AA/Kx/sets raise the flop a lot b/c it's so dry. I think we'll get called by QQ/JJ/99 a decent percentage, but far from 90.
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